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Kamala Harris v. Gavin Newsom: The Coming Democratic Civil War
The Messenger ^ | November 25, 2023 | Keith Naughton

Posted on 11/26/2023 8:38:41 AM PST by Reno89519

The Democratic Party is united — for now. Fear and loathing of Donald Trump keeps the various Democratic factions in a precarious peace. But labor v. environment, Jewish vote v. Muslim vote, and center-left v. hardcore progressivism cannot remain at bay forever. The fiercest battle may well be the looming civil war between Vice President Kamala Harris and California Gov. Gavin Newsom for the party leadership once President Biden leaves the stage.

And it won’t be pretty.

When Biden named Harris his running mate, he conferred on her heir-apparent status. The pick made sense. VP nominees are mostly about pulling together party divisions or offsetting the nominee’s weaknesses. As an old, white male Catholic, Biden running with a minority female checked some important identity boxes. And, in 2020 with a campaign hobbled due to covid restrictions, Harris did just fine. The “not Trump” campaign worked.

However, given an opportunity to establish herself as the next Democratic hope, Harris has proven rather maladroit. Something about her isn’t quite right. Her speeches are mediocre, with poorly thought-out ad libs. Her awkwardness with voters is positively Hillary Clintonesque. After spending her life in the progressive hothouse of California, Harris has shown little ability to build appeal in the other more centrist 49 states. Given the unpleasant portfolio of illegal immigration early in the administration, she failed to distinguish herself. If she has any real policy responsibility today, it’s not apparent.

But what must rankle Harris the most and speaks to how badly she must be viewed in Democratic power corridors is the utter lack of interest in her replacing Biden on the ticket. Joe Biden’s numbers are bad, very bad. His approval has been under water for the past two years. He is running behind Trump on multiple ballot test polls — despite Trump’s myriad problems. The double-minority woman Harris replacing Biden should be the talk of the town. But it isn’t.

Her polling tells the tale: While Biden is an abysmal 14 points negative on the RealClearPolitics approval average, Harris is worse at negative 17.6 — worse than Trump (negative 16.6). In YouGov polling, Harris is 13 points down on approval (Biden is down 10 points) with just 40% approval against Biden’s 42%. She has just a 3-point lead on approval among Black voters but lags 8 points with Hispanics. Independents approve at just 26%, against Biden at 31%.

Harris should take comfort in the fact that there is nobody in the D.C. political scene that is a real threat. The most popular Democrat, Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), is even older than Biden. The septuagenarian Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is getting there. Pete Buttigieg’s (D-Ind.) tenure at Transportation has been miserable. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.) are nowhere to be found.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; democrat; harris; newsom
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To: Reno89519

Camela is a better man than Newsom and she’s fun to watch.


61 posted on 11/26/2023 10:31:41 AM PST by Wdempsey (Democrats and slinkys.. Both useless but fun to push down stairs.)
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To: gundog

I cannot believe Gavin is gonna be our next president. After he has completely destroyed the state of CA...........


62 posted on 11/26/2023 10:32:09 AM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: SMARTY

Kneepads vs mafiacrat

That’s the heart of the matter.


63 posted on 11/26/2023 10:36:05 AM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: Reno89519

White vs Half White?


64 posted on 11/26/2023 10:39:03 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Reno89519

“The “not Trump” campaign worked.”

NO, CHEATING WORKED!


65 posted on 11/26/2023 10:40:02 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: brownsfan

As did Obama. Qualifications have no value to democrats.


66 posted on 11/26/2023 10:45:53 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Reno89519

So which traitor will traitorous voters vote for?!?


67 posted on 11/26/2023 10:46:12 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: No name given
Others believe Hitlery may try again.

Oh, she'll try, one confidently suspects.

That said, the Clintonian 'social intersections' with convicted sex offenders Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell are (metaphorically) super-toxic, and the word 'enabler' connected with Mrs. Bill Clinton has resonating properties that reach well into the low-info voter demo.

The oppo ads write themselves.

Run, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Run!

68 posted on 11/26/2023 10:47:05 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston ChurchIill)
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To: dead

GOOD ONE!


69 posted on 11/26/2023 10:53:15 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: Drew68

Funny how people here ignore this.

Newsome has been stealth campaigning since his recall effort failed last year, he’s just shifted gears and is more active in showing it.


70 posted on 11/26/2023 10:55:21 AM PST by SPDSHDW (FR is so far in the can that we make the DU idiots look civil sometimes. Hope you’re proud.)
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To: Leaning Right
But I can see the DNC persuading her to run if the polls show that only she can beat Trump.

One suspects that it's likely a fait accompli, and that no persuading was needed. (One suspect further that Joe wants out, but hangs on to prevent the need for a primary race, and that the 'ins' want to stay 'in', intra-party democracy be darned.)

All just my guesses, the Dem higher-ups and I don't converse.

71 posted on 11/26/2023 10:56:42 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never...in nothing, great or small...Winston ChurchIill)
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To: Reno89519
Kamala Harris v. Gavin Newsom

Battle of the Shallow

72 posted on 11/26/2023 11:04:29 AM PST by GOPJ (Ignorant but arrogant is a sad way to start an adult life. Victor Davis Hanson on Ivy college grads)
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To: ClearCase_guy

RE: She’s in charge of the border.
He’s in charge of California.

The best they have.


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——Dean Wormer on the grade reports.


73 posted on 11/26/2023 11:11:12 AM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging.It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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To: Reno89519

Right. Newsom will create a new public relations image of being the nice fellow, no one to be worried about, middle of the road, that Commie stuff was just because he was forced into it in California, he’s the one to stop the rancorous disputes among Americans and give us back moderate, happy days of harmony.

All a lie, of course.


74 posted on 11/26/2023 11:14:45 AM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging.It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Newsom may be the last minute substitute for Biden, or more possibly Michelle Obama. You can only do so much with cheating. A ten point gap between Biden and Trump will require more over the top cheating than in 2020. If the real Republican-Democrat split is 49-42, plus RFK, Jr., Jill Stein, et. al., collectively winning an additional 9 points, then you have to do very blatant voter fraud. At this point, the Democrats still have to show the appearance of democracy.

The Democrats have to get the popular vote in the six or seven contested states within 2 or 3 percentage points to permit the cheating in Atlanta, Milwaukee, Las Vegas, etc., to succeed. It is possible that the Democrats may go centrist and choose Joe Manchin as their Presidential nominee at the last minute and possibly a Hispanic female such as New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham as the Vice Presidential nominee.

75 posted on 11/26/2023 11:15:23 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: frank ballenger

Winnable lies


76 posted on 11/26/2023 11:16:02 AM PST by Reno89519 (It's war. No one murders and takes Americans hostage. Time to act. Declare war on Islamic Hamas.)
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To: Reno89519

To all here:
What are some ideas about how Kamala could not be on the ballot in November, 2024?

We know Biden will not be on it. All comments we have about strategies should, IMO, recognize that. Like the 1968 decision by LBJ not to run again ushered in the deadly RFK shooting which went with the MLK death and the riots at the Chicago convention. With groups marching in the streets just like today. At that point all the strategies about LBJ were wrothless and moot.


77 posted on 11/26/2023 11:18:10 AM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging.It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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To: eyeamok

RE: You might be right, but watching the prostitute vs the moron will be highly entertaining.


Ha. Like 1971. Apologies to fans of Julie Christie.

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78 posted on 11/26/2023 11:22:14 AM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging.It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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To: frank ballenger
At that point all the strategies about LBJ were worthless and moot.

And yet, at the peak of the violence at the Chicago Democratic Convention, LBJ called Major Daley, the Convention Chairman, and asked for the nominations to be reopened. He argued to Daley that only he, LBJ, could unite the party.

Daley was so shocked at LBJ's folly that he momentarily forgot the correct protocol for addressing the President of the United States. Daley exclaimed, "Lyndon, are you out of your f***ing mind?!"

Daley talked Johnson down, and the Democrats avoided yet more confrontation and violence at their convention.

79 posted on 11/26/2023 11:24:06 AM PST by Publius
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To: frank ballenger

Like the 1968 decision by LBJ not to run again ushered in the deadly RFK shooting which went with the MLK death and the riots at the Chicago convention.

+++++++++

Chicago would have made such nice symmetry for the 2024 donkey convention.


80 posted on 11/26/2023 11:26:42 AM PST by mund1011 (We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality)
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