[Kazan]

What does Ukraine get? They get to keep what's left of their country and access to the Black Sea.

All annexed territory will remain with the Russian Federation. There is no chance any of it will ever be part of Ukraine again.

You're a sociopathic fool if think Ukrainian should keep dying in futile proxy war it can't win. The Ukrainians absolutely no leverage in any negotiations.

[Svartalfiar]

You're a sociopathic fool if think Ukrainian should keep dying in futile proxy war it can't win. The Ukrainians absolutely no leverage in any negotiations.

And the Poles should have just given up in Warsaw. Washington shouldn't have crossed that river. Should Vienna have just given up two months earlier? Just because you "can't" win, you would rather live under an oppressive tyranny (take your chains and slavery!)?