[linedrive]

A very thoughtful response to what is obviously a contentious point.

I do disagree about Trump supporters impression of what is taking place in the courts. Unfortunately, we all are going to discover the true nature of this country’s character in the next year.
So many things to disrupt an election process are at work - the vulgarity and crudeness of Trump (and associates) behavior makes it impossible to have our side coalesce behind the man - this is what I see as very different from 2016.
You say people are intelligent, perhaps but they are not critical thinkers. Also, there are some in government now fighting the Deep State - Trump’s behavior is shutting them out of any part of the process to gain political power. Perhaps that is the intention.

My fear is when all civility breaks down (pushed by another fraudulent election if we can go that long) will we be able to ‘coalesce’ our efforts then? Or will we be left with the names people were called for supporting the wrong person? Help me to recall this happening inside either party prior to Trump entering the game.
I don’t want him to go prison (it is a sham); I want him to express ideas and name people that will help him get it done. I will vote for him if he is the candidate allowed to run - there are serious questions he should answer before getting that chance - looks like they will never be asked.
And many people are perfectly fine with that.

[rlmorel]

• You wrote: "I do disagree about Trump supporters impression of what is taking place in the courts.
  • Just curious. What about the "Trump supporters impression of what is taking place in the courts" exactly is wrong?
    
    That it is a sham? You yourself acknowledge this.
    
    That 1/6/2021 is freely and unreservedly classified by prosecutors (as an excuse for unconstitutional judicial behavior) an "insurrection"? If so, it is the most peaceful "insurrection" in this history of this country, as not only weren't there weapons, there weren't any torches and pitchforks, and the only ones using deadly force were the state and hidden players, those weapons ranging from walking sticks taken from protesters to beat them to death, to pipe bombs, in one of the most heavily surveilled places on earth, somehow not able to be linked to anyone who planted them?
    
    From J6 protesters who in the vast majority of cases, DID NOTHING but get doors opened and were ENCOURAGED to enter with the consent of the authorities, but are now in prison, with NO CHARGES for the majority of the time they spent there?
    
    That venues are being shopped, and trials frozen in these corrupt Leftist venues with corrupt political judges (AND JURIES) who have OPENLY made hostile statements that are prejudicial to the defendants (including Trump) in depriving them of their 1st and 4th Amendment rights?
    
    That players on the Left (and ostensibly the "Right") have committed deep crimes of seditious conspiracy to overthrow an elected President, and not a SINGLE one barring ONE stupid idiot named McGonigal who was KEY in the Trump Russia Collusion bullshit, tried to cash in with Russians and got caught? HE is the ONLY one, from a cast of dozens ranging from James Comey to this dumb ass McGonigal, and instead of getting 20 years or even Life for the evil he really did to our country, they got him on some completely stupid charge that got him four years, a slap on the hand. Are those the "impressions" that are wrong?

• You wrote: "Also, there are some in government now fighting the Deep State - Trump’s behavior is shutting them out of any part of the process to gain political power."
  • No disrespect intended, but just exactly who are you referring to? Any Democrats? No. Who on the Republican side is "fighting the Deep State"? Who, besides a small cadre of vocal politicians such as the likes of Rand Paul, Jim Jordan and a few others who are taking specific, localized stances against Deep State tyranny, even while they vote with the opposition to let it live on? Are there other people "fighting against the Deep State" I am missing? DeSantis doesn't count. He is a State Governor and has done absolutely NOTHING to battle the Deep State. He is tending (or SHOULD be tending) to internal state matters.
• You wrote: "I want him to express ideas and name people that will help him get it done. I will vote for him if he is the candidate allowed to run - there are serious questions he should answer before getting that chance - looks like they will never be asked."
  • What "serious questions" should be asked of him that he has not already demonstrated where he stands on them? Whether he "called for an insurrection" on J6? Whether he "mishandled" classified documents and revealed state secrets of some kind? Do you have an example of a "serious question" Trump should be asked that nobody is asking?

I get that you are offended by his pugnacious and often derisive way of interacting with those who oppose him, and want to go back to some other golden age standard that doesn't exist.

I wish it were otherwise, and a lot of people agree. But the ship has sailed, and you would be better served by finding a way to come to grips with that offense. I have not only been personally aware of politics since the days of Barry Goldwater (Gee, what respect was HE afforded, or nice things happened to him?) but have been studying the politics of the Left back to the 1930's, and can tell you (as Whittaker Chamber, Joseph McCarthy, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, and Ronald Reagan would have all attested, and that Trump and others can currently attest to) that the Golden Age of civil politics has not existed in our modern versions for going on a full century, not to mention how things were conducted before this "modern era" of American Politics.

Donald Trump is far, FAR more sinned against than sinned.

Again, I am glad we can have civil discourse on this, but I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.

[freepersup]

A very thoughtful response to what is obviously a contentious point.

I do disagree about Trump supporters impression of what is taking place in the courts. Unfortunately, we all are going to discover the true nature of this country’s character in the next year.

So many things to disrupt an election process are at work - the vulgarity and crudeness of Trump (and associates) behavior makes it impossible to have our side coalesce behind the man - this is what I see as very different from 2016.

You say people are intelligent, perhaps but they are not critical thinkers. Also, there are some in government now fighting the Deep State - Trump’s behavior is shutting them out of any part of the process to gain political power. Perhaps that is the intention.

My fear is when all civility breaks down (pushed by another fraudulent election if we can go that long) will we be able to ‘coalesce’ our efforts then? Or will we be left with the names people were called for supporting the wrong person? Help me to recall this happening inside either party prior to Trump entering the game.

I don’t want him to go prison (it is a sham); I want him to express ideas and name people that will help him get it done. I will vote for him if he is the candidate allowed to run - there are serious questions he should answer before getting that chance - looks like they will never be asked.

And many people are perfectly fine with that.