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What are bump stocks? US Supreme Court weighs Trump-era ban on gun attachments (BBC)
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| 2/28/2024
| Chloe Kim
Posted on 02/28/2024 1:03:07 PM PST by Robert357
US Supreme Court justices grappled with the mechanics of bump stocks on Wednesday as they weighed whether to lift a ban on the gun accessory.
Fitting a bump stock to a rifle enables the weapon to fire hundreds of bullets per minute.
The Trump administration banned the devices by classifying them as machine guns after they were used in the deadliest mass shooting in US history.
Under the 1986 National Firearms Act, owning a machine gun is illegal.
But a Texas resident and gun shop owner Michael Cargill has challenged the ban on bump stocks, saying the government has interpreted what qualifies as a machine gun too broadly.
The case has now reached America's highest court.
It is illegal to modify the internal components of semi-automatic rifles - which typically manage about 60 aimed shots per minute - to make them fully automatic, but gun owners can legally buy accessories to increase the rate of fire.
The bump stock harnesses a rifle's recoil to rapidly fire multiple rounds. It replaces the weapon's stock, which is held against the shoulder, and allows the gun to slide back and forward between the user's shoulder and trigger finger. That motion - or "bump"- lets the gun fire without the user having to move their trigger finger.
At Wednesday's hearing, both liberal and conservative justices seemed to struggle with some of the more technical aspects of the case - about the function and application of bump stocks, as well as the statutes that define and ban machine guns.
Speaking to Mr Cargill's lawyer, liberal justice Elena Kagan asked how a gun with a bump stock could be differentiated from a machine gun.......
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bumpstock; rtkba; scotus
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To: zeugma
Thank you for the link to the oral arguments.
To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Actually better than a lever action was the WW1 Winchester Model 1897 pump shotgun with extended tube magazine and bayonet. If you hold the trigger down and just keep pumping it will slam fire multiple shots with no shoulder/stock bump or trigger movement.
The following is an article on this really old fashions slam fire repeating shotgun. https://www.warhistoryonline.com/guns/trench-broom-famous-model-1897-shotgun.html
To: Dead Corpse
Re: 8 - an interesting post.
Are there Supreme Court (or any inferior court) Justices (past or present) that you believe hew to the beliefs outlined by the statements in your post?
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posted on
02/29/2024 12:33:12 AM PST
by
Fury
To: thegagline
Trump wasn't waiting for Congress on February 28, 2018, President Trump hosted a meeting with members of Congress to discuss school and community safety. Senator John Cornyn, the majority whip, suggested that Congress could pass legislation “on a bipartisan basis” to deal with “the bump stock issue.” Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Bipartisan Mem- bers of Congress in Meeting on School and Community Safety (Feb. 28, 2018), https://bit.ly/2M6Mjvz. Presi- dent Trump interjected that there was no need for leg- islation because he would deal with bump stocks through executive action:
And I’m going to write that out. Because we can do that with an executive order. I’m going to write the bump stock; essen- tially, write it out. So you won’t have to worry about bump stock. Shortly, that will be gone. We can focus on other things. Frankly, I don’t even know if it would be good in this bill. It’s nicer to have a separate piece of paper where it’s gone. And we’ll have that done pretty quickly. They’re working on it right now, the lawyers. Id. Later during the meeting, Rep. Steve Scalise, the House majority whip, proposed other gun-control measures that Congress could vote on. Again, the President reiterated that there was no need to legis- late on bump stocks, because his administration would prohibit the devices through executive action:
And don’t worry about bump stock, we’re getting rid of it, where it’ll be out. I mean, you don’t have to complicate the bill by adding another two paragraphs. We’re getting rid of it. I’ll do that myself be- cause I’m able to. Fortunately, we’re able to do that without going through Con- gress. Id. Moments before the Bump Stock Rule was an- nounced, President Trump tweeted: “Obama Admin- istration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS with a mandated comment period. We will BAN all devices that turn le- gal weapons into illegal machine guns.” Donald Trump (@realDonaldTrump), Twitter (Mar. 23, 2018, 1:50 PM), https://bit.ly/2DPV1cY.
Obama didn't have the power to ban bump stocks. Trump didn't either, the difference being that Republicans won't cross Trump and Democrats will back anything gungrabby.
To: publiusF27
And I’m going to write that out. Because we can do that with an executive order. I’m going to write the bump stock; essen- tially, write it out. So you won’t have to worry about bump stock. Shortly, that will be gone. Thank you for posting this. Apparently, he believes that executive fiat trumps the constitution.
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posted on
02/29/2024 6:34:52 AM PST
by
thegagline
(Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater in 2024)
To: Fury
Not on every point... no. Clarence Thomas comes close. Alito got his “machine gun Sammy” moniker for a reason.
Then again, I was a fan of Lysander Spooner, so my opinions are self-admittedly a bit skewed.
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posted on
02/29/2024 6:36:12 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(A Psalm in napalm...)
To: thegagline
He’s an Executive businessman from New York. His weakness on the Constitution, in particularly 2A Rights, has been a concern of people like me.
He’s better than the Democrat... but hardly as perfect as his fan club makes him out to be.
Compared to Nikki or some of the other pretenders? Trump is still the “least worst”.
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posted on
02/29/2024 6:38:31 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(A Psalm in napalm...)
To: Dead Corpse
Respects to you...Same here DC. Nice knowing where to look for sane posts here.
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02/29/2024 1:17:03 PM PST
by
zeugma
(Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
To: Dead Corpse
I'm a big fan of Justice Thomas on some issues, notably Kelo v New London and Gonzalez v Raich, but he wasn't exactly helpful at
oral arguments in Cargill.
the nature of the firing has changed as a result of the bump stock. So if that's changed, why don't you simply then look backwards and say that the nature of the firing mechanism has changed; thus, the nature of the trigger has changed? No. It's a trigger and a bump stock makes it function over and over almost, but not quite, as fast as
Jerry Miculek who might be a walking felony in Trump's view.
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