[Zhang Fei]

Ukraine ping

Kazan: [We’ve already spent $150 billion on Ukraine and the Ukrainians have lost 20% of their territory.

Now, Ukraine’s military is shambles. There is a manpower shortage. More military aid won’t make a bit of difference.

Only a surrender will preserve what is left of Ukraine.]

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$150b is peanuts. It’s 3 years of aid to Afghanistan, which was used to fight a bunch of part-time guerrillas. For a large scale conventional war like this over 2 years, it’s a pittance. Desert Storm - the retaking of Kuwait - involved 1 month of hostilities. The total tab in 1990 dollars was $60b. Adjusted for today’s prices, that 1 month total would be $140b.

Relative to its 1941 economy, the US sent 12% of a year’s output to the Russians. 12% of today’s economy would be 3T. We are well short of sending $300b, let alone $3T.

[Kazan]

$150b is peanuts.

Yet, we told $3.5 billion of border wall under Trump was too much....

You act like all the debt we're running is monopoly money that the $34 trillion we are in debt doesn't matter even though we're now paying $1.6 trillion of tax revenue on interest on the debt each year.

And, if going to spend $150 billion maybe we should be spending on our many problems, including border security, infrastructure and on our citizens rather than on a war provoked that has absolutely nothing to do with our national security.