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To: Eleutheria5

It’s another grift. The hydrogen comes from natural gas. So you going to use double the energy and “fossil” fuel to virtue signal?


2 posted on 04/07/2024 12:17:39 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope

There is no real thing called “fossil fuel”. Contrary to popular opinion petroleum is not “dinosaur soup”, no matter WHAT your fourth grade teacher told you. Most hydrocarbons found in underground reservoirs was formed by ABIOTIC means, no “fossils” involved.

The Mohorovicic Discontinuity marks the lower limit of Earth’s crust. It occurs at an average depth of about 8 kilometers beneath the ocean, and is the boundary of the molten inner core of earth and the stony crust above. Some very violent and extremely rapid reactions take place under conditions of pressure and heat that yield the collection of petroleum components know as kerogen, crude oil. Carbon dioxide at those depths takes on characteristics of both a solvent and a chemical reagent, together with hydrogen formed from the thermal hydrolysis of water to form longer-chain hydrocarbon molecules, which rise into the rocky layer above to collect in underground reservoirs or are simply wedged into what appears to be solid rock. This collection of kerogen is then extracted by being pumped out of an oil well, or in the instance of the oil-impregnated rocks, by fracking.

Methane, the simplest of the hydrocarbon compounds, was formed and in existence before the earth was formed, and may be found as one component of comets, which also include ammonia, carbon dioxide and water as ice, so-called “dirty snowballs”. Methane also forms as part of the decomposition of formerly living tissue, and in the depths of the ocean, at the steady temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit or 4 degrees Centigrade, forms “methane ice”, an amorphous physical phenomenon in which water molecules form a latticework that hold the methane molecules in a stable configuration that breaks down if the temperature increases only a very little, then the methane releases in a huge expanding bubble, which then rises to the water surface. Ships have been known to lose their buoyancy, and aircraft to lose their lift, when one of these releases break the water surface, resulting in almost instantaneous disappearance as the ships and airplanes fall to the bottom of the ocean. That may explain the Bermuda Triangle, by the way, but that is another story.

We have plenty of methane, very little actually of origin in fossils, both in underground reservoirs as gas wells, or as this “methane ice” which may be in layers hundreds or thousands of feet in depth. Or it bubbles off the surface of a sewage treatment plant every day, or decaying vegetation in the forest.


32 posted on 04/07/2024 1:24:29 PM PDT by alloysteel (Most people slog through life without ever knowing the wonders of true insanity.)
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To: I got the rope

I want in - sign me UP!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car


70 posted on 04/07/2024 7:07:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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