Posted on 04/08/2024 12:06:38 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
Actually Ukraine will win, in the sense that the carnage will stop, peace will come and better relations with its major neighbor. It’s the corrupt oligarchs and the globalist establishment that will lose.
Ukraine ping
kabar: [You underestimate the courage and tenacity of the Russian people. Read Harrison Salisbury’s book, The 900 Days, about the seige of Leningrad. Or read about the Battle of Kursk.
The Soviets inflicted 76% of all the German military deaths during WWII. Yes, we provided significant amounts of war materiel and logistical assistance, but the Soviets deserve the lion’s share of the credit for defeating the Nazis. Revisionist history doesn’t change the facts.]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_annihilation#Nazi_warfare
Whether the motivation, the Russians supplied the German war effort against the West until Germany attacked them. Russia was the one Axis power that switched sides and ended up a victor.
And, as Stalin and Khrushchev established, Russia would have lost without massive Western aid. Given that Russia received the equivalent of $3T from the US, relative to today’s US economy, it’s clear that Ukraine has received a pittance and very little equipment (0 planes and two dozen tanks) compared to the 14,000 planes and 13,000 tanks the US supplied to Russia in WW2.
Note that Ukrainians were equally engaged in this literal war of survival - it lost 16% of its population vs Russia’s 13%. The idea that Ukrainians lack fighting spirit is nonsense. In the postwar era, hundreds of thousands lost their lives in a doomed revolt against their Russian overlords with no Western material support.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Spring_1945%E2%80%93late_1946
a story last week, FR I believe, is that he bought a country property once used by Charles. It could have been satire. I didn’t check it out.
[We won’t fight Russia directly. There aren’t many men who will fight for globohomo. We will just leave the country.]
The most controversial deferments were for conscientious objectors. The Selective Service Act of 1940 exempted any person who, “by reason of religious training or belief, is conscientiously opposed to the participation of war in any form.” Selective Service Director General Lewis Hershey (who would hold the job for three decades, through Vietnam) strictly interpreted the qualifications, working through 6,443 local draft boards. About half of the 70,000 men who applied for CO status got it, many of them Quakers, Brethren and Mennonites. Because Jehovah’s Witnesses opposed WW2 but not all wars, draft boards routinely denied their requests. Of 16,000 men convicted of draft resistance during the war (and sentenced to a maximum of five years), 6,000 were rejected CO’s, and 3/4 of those were Jehovah’s Witnesses.
25,000 CO’s were assigned to non-combat military duty, of which the most famous were medics. At first, frequently reviled in boot camp as cowards and shirkers, “Conchie” medics’ status rose rapidly on the battlefield, when GIs realized their lives often depended on the unarmed medic, and his bravery under fire.
Nearly 12,000 CO’s were assigned to “alternative service,” especially Public Service Camps that had been funded with $7,000,000 from Pacifist churches and organizations. Working fifty unpaid hours a week on conservation, forestry and public health projects, some CO’s found these camps to be virtual prisons, where military discipline prevailed. (The last of the CO’s was released from the camps in 1947.) About 500 CO’s volunteered for medical experiments, testing, among other things, cures for typhus and malaria. Perhaps the most dashing CO’s were smoke jumpers in Oregon, parachuting down to fight fires that were started by the thousands of timed incendiary balloons released by the Japanese. Thus ironically, the only direct attacks on the continental United States during World War Two were repulsed, in part, by conscientious objectors.]
Bye bye good energy export jobs for Texans. Those jobs will go to back to Russia should genocidal Russian Nazis recreate the Russian Empire. Sadly, Quisling populists couldn’t care less about their fellow Americans.
and more and more and more and more…..
Negotiate a ceasefire with Putin? Like Prigozhin did? How did that end for him? LMAO.
Moscow Kremlin gaslighting can be so tiresomely “imbecilic” when the facts are so obviously at hand here: Putin and Russian chauvinists of his ilk consider Ukraine to be part of Russia. They are more than willing to murder any and all who oppose their genocidal Nazi fantasies. History shows us there is nothing to negotiate here.
That was an obvious fake story that Kazan planted here.
Here is the first thread on the quickly debunked story.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4228863/posts
Zelensky and his buddies will lose their mansions in Ukraine!
Stalin killed millions of his own people. He had soldiers sent into combat with no rifles, they were suppose to pickup the rifles of those killed ahead of them. They could not turn back or they would be shot by the commissars. His actions prior to the war would also be the cause of millions being killed then and later during the war.
What prevents you from getting off the sofa and giving yourself to The Zelensky? He needs men.
True, the ordinary, average, decent, productive, peaceful citizens of Ukraine will win, ... IF the current Corrupt Nazi Government is forced to treat them properly, or is removed.
[What prevents you from getting off the sofa and giving yourself to The Zelensky? He needs men.]
Annnnd....this is our problem HOW??
Sorry, pal, but we aren’t “The Godfather” you come and ask for a solution. That ain’t our jobs and never has been. So go trick-or-treat somewhere else. We’re out of candy and trick or treating hours are long since over.
Besides, if you ever demanded anything of the Godfather, you would soon find yourself on the other side of the grass.
Well, Zelensky, MSN, Business Insider, Mia Jankowicz and Agence France-Presse are all children trying to decieve from their respective positions.
The entire point of funding Ukraine is so we don’t end up fighting the Russian empire directly. The Russia First contingent shouldn’t go to Ukraine either. When we end up fighting Russia directly, the Russians have far better uses for their American fifth columnists. In wartime, you would be more productive supplying intelligence to Russia, harboring Russian agents or engaging in sabotage operations.
The entire point of funding Ukraine is to open up the U.S. treasury and run off dollars for the MIC. The Ukraine First contingent should go to Ukraine. It has been centuries since we wound up directly fighting anybody unless we engaged in some foreign adventure. The Russians best friends are those who wish to inflate the dollar until it goes bust. In wartime, you would be most productive fighting with the Ukraine Foreign Legion. In peacetime, get your filthy hands out of my pocket.
If Ukraine wants American money, let them host a telethon on CNN or MSNBC. Give generously.
The whole point of a military in Ukraine 3x the size of Russian armed forces was for NATO the hammer to collaspe Russia.
There is a big difference. Russia didn’t beg for foreign volunteers to fight in the Ukrainian war.
[The entire point of funding Ukraine is to open up the U.S. treasury and run off dollars for the MIC. The Ukraine First contingent should go to Ukraine. It has been centuries since we wound up directly fighting anybody unless we engaged in some foreign adventure. The Russians best friends are those who wish to inflate the dollar until it goes bust. In wartime, you would be most productive fighting with the Ukraine Foreign Legion. In peacetime, get your filthy hands out of my pocket.
If Ukraine wants American money, let them host a telethon on CNN or MSNBC. Give generously.]
They are going to “ lose” anyway.
Over 1/3 of the country voted to become part of the RF. Over 3 million have received Russian passports. Do you think even if Ukraine obliterated their towns with US weapons sufficient to defeat Russia, and killed, imprisoned, “ reeducated” or drove out the Russian affiliated population, that Kiev would ever win the “ peace”?
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