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To: woodpusher

...and Chester Arthur hid that fact because he knew that a Natural Born Citizen, as indicated in the qualifications for president requires both jus sanguinis and jus soli.

Born of US citizens (by any means), and within the US.

Obama never even proved he was born. The standing orders in Hawaii remain for the guards to destroy the piece of paper that was never allowed any official examination for authenticity, and readily seen by unofficial analysts as a forgery.

A forgery based upon a document posted on DailyKos with the name “Ima Forgery”.


17 posted on 04/09/2024 3:22:49 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Maelstrom

I find it an interesting coincidence that grandma (where he claimed he found his birth certificate - in her apartment) died 2 days before the election in 2008.

Probably ... just ... a coincidence.


18 posted on 04/09/2024 4:30:13 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: Maelstrom
...and Chester Arthur hid that fact because he knew that a Natural Born Citizen, as indicated in the qualifications for president requires both jus sanguinis and jus soli.

Maybe you should have researched that nonsense beyond just repeating what another uninformed birther made up out of whole cloth. Let us review how hidden the citizenship of William Arthur really was.

Of course, the naturalization of William Arthur was public record since 1843. William Arthur's ctizenship was published in Russia in 1881, in Novoe Vremya, and translated and published in the New York Herald, the largest circulation daily in the United States. The essence of it was published in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle in 1881. "Gen. Arthur is an unnaturalized foreigner," was published in the New York Times, Dec. 22, 1880. And, of course, Arthur's citizenship was the subject of a book published in 1884 while Arthur was still in office, "How a British Subject Became President of the United States," by A.P. Hinman. It was not that nobody knew. It was that nobody cared about your crackpot theory then any more than they do now.

Hinman was hired by the Democrat party to dig dirt on Arthur prior to his assuming office. Dig, dig, dig led to his book. As the book notes, "Entered according to Act of Congress in the year 1884, by A. P. Hinman, in the Office of the Librarian of Congress at Washington, D. C."

As the 1884 Hinman biography of William Arthur shows, William Arthur did not emigrate from Ireland to the United States, but to Canada, and it was in Canada where he met Chester Arthur's mother. They married in Canada. As Chester Arthur's mother was a United States citizen, any challenge to the citizenship of Chester Arthur had to rely on his father not being a United States citizen at the time of birth.

https://vermonthistory.org/journal/misc/MysteryOfChester.pdf

The Proceedings of the Vermont Historical Society, , August 1970, Vol. XXXVIII, No. 4, The Mystery of Chester Alan Arthur's Birthplace, by Thomas C. Reeves.

In short, while Hinman's book is a very clever attempt to destroy a politician, when read by a careful historian it also sheds much light on the earty history of our least known President and his family.

Hinman reveals himself only as an anti-Arthur Republican. He had an extraordinary knowledge of the darker side of Arthur's early dealings in politics, calling attention in the early pages of the book to Arthur's bargains with Boss Tweed and to his close friendship with the corrupt Tom Murphy. He also was not above an occasional libel, such as the charge that Arthur left the New York Custom House in 1878 with a personal fortune of $3,000,000.26 Of course, the main thrust of Hinman's effort was the story of Chester Arthur's alleged Canadian birth.

So, Hinman wrote hit pieces about Arthur as early as 1881 and published a thoroughly researched book in 1884, with the purpose of destroying Arthur, and according to birther lore, everybody knew of the two parent citizenship requirement, but neither Hinman nor the Democrat party ever discovered that Arthur's father was an Irish citizen who was naturalized in New York in 1846.

Belief that Chester Arthur's father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Chester Arthur's birth is a prerequisite for any theory that he was not born a U.S. citizen.

William Arthur emigrated from County Antrim to Canada, and eventually to the United States after he married an American, and probably sounded like the Reverend Ian Richard Kyle Paisley, yet nobody thought to inquire if his public figure preacher father had been naturalized, nor did anyone check the public record of William Arthur's naturalization. And nobody noticed a Democrat operative wrote newspaper articles and a book about the Irish citizenship of William Arthur. Even in Russia, they ran the story. It ran in the largest circulation daily newspaper in the United States. But nobody found out because Chester Arthur hid the fact.

A forgery based upon a document posted on DailyKos with the name “Ima Forgery”.

The Daily Kos, how impressive. It is all debunked, but for hilarity's sake assume arguendo that it is true that the birth certificate was declared by an expert to be a forgery. Take it to court. Oh wait. Article 4, Section 1 provides that, "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each such state to the public Acts, Records, and Judicial proceedings of every state. And Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved and the Effect thereof."

Congress did provide by law how a state proves a state document. The custodian of the record makes a copy and affixes the official state seal and his signature. And then it shall, it muist, be honored in every court in every state in the nation. No court may challenge the authenticity of the certified proved record or document of a state.

All such ridiculous attempts at proving forgery were debunked by actual experts.

31 posted on 04/09/2024 1:33:46 PM PDT by woodpusher
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