Posted on 04/24/2024 2:04:28 PM PDT by hardspunned
There is another historical analogy that I think is worth pointing out, and that is the historical analogy of the early 2000s. Now, in 2003, I was a high school senior, and I had a political position back then: I believed the propaganda of the George W. Bush administration that we needed to invade Iraq, that it was a war for freedom and democracy, that those who were appeasing Saddam Hussein were inviting a broader regional conflict.
Does that sound familiar to anything that we’re hearing today? It’s the same exact talking points 20 years later with different names. But have we learned anything over the last 20 years? No, I don’t think that we have. We have learned that if we beat our chests instead of engaging in diplomacy, that it will somehow produce good outcomes? That is not true.
We learned that if we talk incessantly about World War II, we can bully people and cause them to ignore their basic moral impulses and lead the country straight into catastrophic conflict.
(Excerpt) Read more at vance.senate.gov ...
US foreign policy might be imperfect but we haven’t had another world war in eighty years. That’s quite a success.
“We have learned that if we beat our chests instead of engaging in diplomacy, that it will somehow produce good outcomes? “
What “diplomacy” is Vance referring to? More like Obama’s “diplomacy”?? or Biden’s???
War can be unnecessary, true enough, but history also shows that sometimes “diplomacy” does not always prevent war, particulalry when one side is using “diplmacy” only to make some war advantage to themselves.
Completely unforgivable is that Speaker Johnson placed US taxpayers in bed w/ the execrable Soros.
theatlantic.com
Eli Lake of The Atlantic reported the shocking fact that George Soros, the billionaire investor whose outspoken hostility to Israel and Zionism is no secret, is in fact one of the Israeli lobby, J Street’s, larger donors........ even though J Street has “denied,” time and time again, that Soros was a supporter.
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The passage of Biden’s foreign aid funding bill made George Soros very happy. Clearly, this is another source of income for Soros, and his habit of financing leftism in the US govt.
J Street Lobby exhorts supporters——
“On Friday, October 20th, 2023, the Biden Administration sent a Supplemental Funding Request to the Congress that contains key priorities for the American Jewish community:
“Please urge your federal elected officials to take action by sending an email below or picking up the phone to call using the script at the end of this form. Your advocacy will help ensure Congress passes the Supplemental Budget Request, which includes the following:
<><>$14.3 Billion in Emergency assistance to Israel: This emergency assistance will bolster Israel’s ability to defend herself and replenish vital defense systems, including the Iron Dome and David’s Sling missile defense programs.
<><>Increased Funding for FEMA’s Nonprofit Security Grant Program (NSGP): Jewish communities are in a state of elevated readiness and have already been forced to increase their security measure. FEMA’s Nonprofit “Security Grant Program” helps ensure the safety and security of Jewish and other faith-based community institutions. The increased funding included in Biden’s Supplemental Budget Request will help bolster our Jewish community’s capacity to protect itself at this challenging time.
<><>$61.4 Billion in Emergency Assistance to Ukraine: The J Street Lobby stands in solidarity with Ukraine and supports efforts to strengthen its democracy in the face of aggression. This funding will aid Ukraine’s efforts to safeguard its democracy and protect its citizens. Jewish Federations are actively engaged in supporting the Ukrainian people—including by resettling over 2,600 displaced Ukrainians across the United States—and we seek continued U.S. support for these critical efforts.”
“J Street believes that maintaining a strong, vibrant US-Israel relationship is a core American interest. We want to see a secure, thriving Israel that is a healthy democracy, a national home for the Jewish people and a state for all its citizens that embodies the shared values that have long formed the heart of the special relationship between our two countries. We believe that American diplomatic leadership has an important role to play in helping to make this vision a reality, as does cooperation in (financing) Israel’s security, economic, technological, academic and civil society spheres.”
WIKI——Confidential IRS documents obtained by The Washington Times in 2010 showed that George Soros had been a donor to J Street since 2008. The money from Soros and his family, together with donations from Hong Kong amounted to about 15% of J Street’s funding in its early years.
J Street’s Jeremy Ben-Ami apologized for earlier “misleading” statements regarding the lobby’s funding from Soros. Ben-Ami also clarified that donors to 501(c)(4) organizations are promised confidentiality by law and challenged critics to make public the contributions from opposing organizations.
“And second of all, if Vladimir Putin is a threat to Germany and France, if he’s a threat to Berlin and Paris, then they should spend more money on military equipment.”
And they are.
This Ukraine funding deal also has a “loan” component
but it is not a “Loan” as honest people define “loans.”
Speaker Johnson’s Ukraine Foreign Aid Package is another contrived “no-repay loan” like Hunter Biden got from his sugar-daddy who, as a Biden donor, happened to have $60 million handily laying around (like most working class people do /s):
<><>the Ukraine “loan” allows Joe to “Forgive” 50% of the billions Nov 15, when Trump wins,
<><>or lets Biden forgive 100% of “the Loan” Later On (If he pulls off a 2nd election steal)
Rotflol......the billion dollar joke’s on us.....we been suckered again.
Zelensky knows that cunning routine. Its already been tried.
Few years back, billions more of our tax dollars to Israel
were handed out———designated as a do-good foreign aid “loan.”
But when it came time to pay up, Israel got its lobbies to manhandle Congress.
The battered, bruised Congress sap-happily passed a law
.........saving its collective political ***es.......
quickly turning the foreign aid “loan” billions into a “gift.”
Ukraine’s complete and utter contempt for Americans is
evidenced by the changing stories we’re being spoon fed.
How ludicrous is this.......?
<><>Zelensky keeps telling us they’re “on the verge” of winning
<><>”if only” we’d give ‘em several more billions.
<><>Zelensky brags they’re really doing a job on bad ol’ Putin.....
<><>they’re impoverishing him, while “shooting down every Russian thing in sight”..........
But wait for the switcheroo, gang.......now “they say” by witholding our tax dollars, poor decrepit Russia w/ its badly depleted military is gonna “march in” and takeover Europe, the Balkans, Poland....even all of NATO.”
W/ the threat that this will “demand” US boots on the ground.
Which is it nitwits? Make up your frickin’ minds.
Uh Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War. Iraqi invasion.
Korea turned out okay. Not perfect, but okay.
As to the rest of your list? You should include Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Dominican Republic, Panama, and more.
Still, for all the failures the one big thing of avoiding another world war? That’s what they got right.
Sort of like losing every battle in a war except the last one. No matter how you slice it, it’s still a success.
WHY ARE WE YELLING!
Yet the US is mightier than ever vs the world.
Yet the US ended war in Northern and Western Europe=among the most violent places on earth so people could live to 80yo without being warred upon in some cities for t5he first time in centuries.
Yet no every other year 9/11 as was promised.
Total failure.
The rhetoric is more similar to the crying over the Reagan deficits/arms race that bankrupted the USSR.
Day 9 of the devastating Iranian counter attack that is never coming.
Week 1 of the certain nuke attack that is coming next weelk or in weeks that will never actually take place.
Bush policy was go to war and bomb the crap out of people first. Screw the diplomacy part. Then try to nation build and boss said country around until the place you are squatting gets sick and tired of your presence and bullying and starts throwing their shoes at you.
Then you pick up and leave and the place goes back to what it was before you ever bombed them OR it becomes even worse than it was.
I argue we lost WWII.
The country has gone to hell since. The “Greatest Generation “ had a bunch of selfish , spoiled kids that protested everything in the late 60s.
Now they are in charge in their 70s making a mess of everything. Look at Hillary.
Do we really have to? I mean dinner is just around the corner here.
Do you Zeeper dogs ever Get tired of barking?
The 1yr Ukraine bind is 38%. No wonder they are waving Ukrainian flags in Congress. Wall Street is ecstatic!
https://www.investing.com/rates-bonds/ukraine-government-bonds
“Do you Zeeper dogs ever Get tired of barking?”
Yes. That’s when we go for the balls and bite.
Not having any balls you need not worry about this.
Yes, we won the Cold War, there is that, while at the price of nearly constant smaller scale wars from Korea to Afghanistan. . The real deterioration of foreign policy began with the collapse of the USSR in the early 90’s. The US was like the dog who finally caught the car and didn’t know what to do next.
Then came 9/11 and the War on Terror, which we have basically lost. A total failure of leadership since then, with the exception of four years of peacemaking under Trump..
Perfect response, Megan.
Vance came to the Senate with zero foreign policy expertise, so who's writing these speeches for him?
I wish I hadn't had to vote for him. Peter Thiel bought him his primary win, so I'm still of the opinion that he's the Silicon Valley Senator until January 2029.
“Perfect response, Megan.”
Part of the credit is due to the GnT I’m working on right now. (This is my Friday)
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