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Zelensky issues statement announcing that Ukraine and the US are working on a ‘ten-year’ funding agreement
American Thinker ^ | April 29, 2024 | Olivia Murray

Posted on 04/29/2024 9:50:07 AM PDT by Kazan

Volodymyr Zelensky recently released a statement revealing that his regime and the government of Washington D.C. were in continued contact, “working on a bilateral security agreement” that would see “monetary aid” sent to Ukraine for an agreed-upon time of ten years.

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Despite an individual’s personal feelings on the Russia-Ukraine war, the facts of the matter are that Ukraine is not a NATO country—and at this point, the cost-benefit analysis of being a member of the NATO pact is definitely not worth it for the American people—and Zelensky is not a good guy. This isn’t to say that Vladimir Putin is…but between the two? One nation is notoriously corrupt and a known hub of human trafficking, while its leaders push cultural LGBTQ++ perversion, steal our wealth (taking hundreds of millions off the top for themselves), send their own people into the meat grinder of warfare, and ally themselves with leftist Hollywood, Joe Biden, and all the scum of D.C.; the other nation sentences pedophiles to the death penalty, tells homosexuals and alternative-sexuality people to engage in whatever behaviors they like as long as it’s in private and nowhere near children, and naturally, doesn’t want hostile governments anywhere along its borders.

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President Dwight Eisenhower’s Farewell Address made infamous the “military-industrial complex” machine, but why he neglected to call it the congressional-military-industrial complex like he originally intended is beyond me — particularly when you consider the “forever war” reality is the exact situation against which Eisenhower strived to warn.

Peace, or a cessation of fighting, is the best option, but peace means the gravy train comes to an end—no wonder it’s off the table, and the powers that be are concocting ten-year plans for sending our money to a country with no accountability.

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To: adorno
The best solution for Ukraine is to have it become a permanent NATO and EU member...

That end Ukraine as a nation.

Russia won't and shouldn't tolerate that after we promised the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO in the early '90s.

NATO and puppet government in Ukraine hostile to Moscow is grave national security risk for the Russians and they prevent that at any cost.

You and your fellow Zeepers keep doubling down on stupid, destructive ideas.

41 posted on 04/29/2024 12:08:21 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: wildcard_redneck

“This will only energize Russia to crush and dismember the entire territory of the Ukraine.”

That’s how Putin is going to “re-think” this war. And contrary to some comments hereon, I do not think it will destroy Russia to do so - not even close.


42 posted on 04/29/2024 12:08:54 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: jimjohn
But, we told Russia was running out of missiles and ammo two years ago.

Here we are two years later and Russia keeps cranking out both while the West can't come closer to matching what it is producing.

The opposite of what you're claiming is actual true -- with $34 trillion debt, we can't afford to continue sink money into wars that have nothing to with our national security and, in fact, endanger this country.

43 posted on 04/29/2024 12:10:56 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: erlayman
How many Russian assets can we seize ? 300 billion ??

Legally and ethically? None.

There will be consequences if we try.

44 posted on 04/29/2024 12:13:29 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: adorno
To do that, Russia will have to be at war forever

Nonsense. It won't take Russia ten years or even five to either take all of Ukraine or take everything east of the Dnieper river and render the rest of it inhabitable.

There is NO chance the American people will allow us to get involved, which is the only chance Ukraine would have at a stalemate. That would be worse than Vietnam for us.

45 posted on 04/29/2024 12:15:45 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: DesertRhino

“Short of a treaty, I cannot see how this Congress can obligate the next five Congress is in the next 2 to 3 presidents to a policy. At a bare minimum, another Congress could repeal it. “


Repubs have been promising to defund PBS since 1980.


46 posted on 04/29/2024 12:28:34 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Kazan

God I hope this doesn’t happen. It’s just another poke in the eye to Trump if he wins the election.


47 posted on 04/29/2024 12:39:39 PM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: Kazan

Ukraine = Europe’s Chicago

Money always changing hands the country has been corrupt for years.


48 posted on 04/29/2024 12:56:27 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Kazan
It won't take Russia ten years or even five to either take all of Ukraine

Nonsense!

Russia doesn't have the resources, nor the economy to support a long term war. Russia is stuck in a losing war, or in a quagmire, neither of which is 'winning'.

And, when it comes to Americans. don't forget that going to war is not open to a voter decision. It's a decision which belongs with the presidency and with congressional approval. Once in power, the president can and will decide for the people. Did the people make the decision to go to war in Iraq or Afghanistan or in the middle-east? Again, it's not open to voter decision.
49 posted on 04/29/2024 1:00:36 PM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wait until you see the funding agreement for Israel and Gaza when that war is finally done.


50 posted on 04/29/2024 1:03:11 PM PDT by Bob Wills is still the king (Just a Texas Playboy at heart)
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To: Kazan
Russia won't and shouldn't tolerate that after we promised the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO in the early '90s.

Promises regarding foreign policy and wars, are subject to many other decisions and actions, especially when the actions taken by a party in a deal tend to make the deal a moot point. Russia can't be trusted to hold up their end of any bargain, so, why should the U.S. or any NATO country.

The stupidity comes from your side on the issue, and being as naive as you sound on foreign policy and international affairs, is the ultimate stupidity.

Puppet government? Ukraine has a right to self-determination and has a right to be free of outside interference in it's government and its internal affairs. Russia is not a good neighbor, and an invasion is not what the Ukrainian people feel is a friendly move. You may feel that Russia has a right to take over Ukraine or any neighboring country, but, most people around the world would disagree with you.

I'm pretty sure that, the Ukrainians would rather be under the umbrella of NATO/EU or the U.S. and not Russia. Give them the choice and you are going to look very stupid when they reject Russia. Not that it's gonna happen, but you have idea about how people really feel about Russia's attempt to take Ukraine by force. Do you agree with Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
51 posted on 04/29/2024 1:14:22 PM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Your reply as it is was expected. That question applies equally to us all. It's not a case of apples and oranges, but of what the future will bring.

So, you don't know the truth.

FACT is that, even with our very high debt, the U.S. is still the most powerful economy in the world. And Russia is still a very minor player in the world economically. Russia cannot afford to wage war for too many more years. And Russia doesn't have the economic partners to help them wage wars for endless years. The U.S. and Europe and many other western countries can carry on for decades, even with high debts. Russia doesn't have the economy of its own to win the war, and it can't count on any other economic power to help it win.

Putin is hardheaded and cannot admit that he got into an unwinnable war, and people like you are just as hardheaded and cannot recognize how stupid your side sounds on the issue.
52 posted on 04/29/2024 1:25:40 PM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: Kazan

Vietnam and the US had a security agreement.


53 posted on 04/29/2024 1:54:51 PM PDT by elpadre
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To: adorno
This is not a war that Russia can win without self-destructing.

That's an incredible statement of projection. This isn't a war Western globalists and the politicians they payoff without self-destruction.

You're delusional. You and your fellow Zeepers have consistently been wrong for more than two years.

54 posted on 04/29/2024 2:19:55 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: adorno
Promises regarding foreign policy and wars, are subject to many other decisions and actions

All the broken promises are on our side and the side of other NATO countries, not Russia's.

Regardless, there is NO chance of Russia tolerating Ukraine in NATO. Ukraine will cease existing or what's left of it will be uninhabitable.

55 posted on 04/29/2024 2:21:54 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: adorno
Russia can't be trusted to hold up their end of any bargain, so, why should the U.S. or any NATO country.

So, we broke our promises within a couple of years not to expand NATO. We had Ukraine sign the Minsk accords and then renege on them.

But, the Russia's is the side that can't be trusted?

It's us, NATO and the Western globalist elite that have become the equivalent of the old Soviet Union. And, the vast majority of the world knows it.

And, the rest of us are sick and tired of the consequences of failed proxy and sanction wars that have NOTHING to do with our national security.

You're delusional and Ukraine is going to pay for your lies, arrogance and ethnic hatred.

56 posted on 04/29/2024 2:25:49 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: adorno
I'm pretty sure that, the Ukrainians would rather be under the umbrella of NATO/EU

That sure hell isn't true of those in Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea.

I'm pretty sure that VAST majority of Ukrainians in what is left of the country want the war to end, want peace and would happily agree to a country that remains neutral toward Russia.

57 posted on 04/29/2024 2:28:29 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

Ukraine the best “honey trap” ever played against the Deep State.


58 posted on 04/29/2024 2:32:21 PM PDT by TBall
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To: adorno
Puppet government? Ukraine has a right to self-determination and has a right to be free of outside interference in it's government and its internal affairs

The people in Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk voted for Yanukovych, the President driven out of office by an illegal coup we fomented.

Ethnic Russians are the largest ethnic group in those regions and were under NO OBLIGATION to live under a Ukrainian government that come to power illegally that went on to persecute and murder the population there.

You're the one defending illegal coups and human rights abuses by neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists.

The people in Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea had every right to declare their independence and join the Russian Federation. They did AND THERE ISN'T A DAMN THING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

The annexed part of Ukraine will remain with Russia as long as anyone reading this is alive.

All we're doing by continuing to fund this war is guaranteeing more Ukrainians die and that Ukraine will lose more territory.

Don't like -- get your ass to Ukraine and fight the eviiil Russians.

59 posted on 04/29/2024 2:34:22 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: adorno
--- "FACT is that, even with our very high debt, the U.S. is still the most powerful economy in the world. And Russia is still a very minor player in the world economically. "

You like to discuss and debate with assertions, lacking citations to support. Here is some verifiable info as regards "the most powerful economy in the world."

China - 4.6B tons; United States - 2.2B tons; Russia - 1.7B tons....

Mineral Production by Country 2024

China - 3,112 Mtoe; United States - 2,322 Mtoe; Russia - 1,455 Mtoe....

Total energy production

China – 28.4% Global Manufacturing Output; United States – 16.6% Global Manufacturing Output; Japan – 7.5% Global Manufacturing Output; Germany – 5.8% Global Manufacturing Output....

Top 10 manufacturing countries in 2023

United States - 42% share of international arms exports; Russia - 11% share of international arms exports; France - 11% share of international arms exports; China - 5.8% share of international arms exports; Germany - 5.6% share of international arms exports....

And with that large share adding to European arms producers the complaint that not enough war materiel is being sent to Ukraine in its war with "very minor player" Russia, which to date seems to be producing war materiel at a rate unmatched by the EU.

Market share of the leading exporters of major weapons between 2019 and 2023, by country

It is a strategic error to underestimate opponents, as it is to overestimate one's own strengths.

That "very minor player in the world economically" figures far larger than your characterization.

When next you make assertions, cite some references beyond simple rhetoric.

This is NOT cheerleading for Russia, but rather a call to not underestimate them, as it seems we have been doing.

60 posted on 04/29/2024 2:39:01 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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