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Posted on 05/10/2024 4:22:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Is anyone surprised that Joe Biden is caving? It’s what he does. In a disgracefully craven move, President Biden has paused weapons shipments to Israel to try to prevent the Jewish state from launching a full-scale offensive against the remaining Hamas military stronghold in Rafah.
It’s a policy shift sheathed in high-minded concern about the safety of civilians in Gaza but happens to be a change in direction that is welcome to a political left that has whipped itself into an anti-Israel frenzy in the months since the Oct. 7 attack.
Not too long ago, Biden was averring that Hamas had to be destroyed and that our commitment to Israel was “ironclad.” That was before the war — waged in a high-density urban environment against an adversary that hides among civilians — created an international backlash and a political revolt among progressives braying “Genocide.”
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They can and they will.
It might be for the best. Without Biden and Blinken and the rest of the retards in this administration trying to hamstring them, they'll be free to do in Gaza as they please.
The protestors will really have something to cry about.
“ They could have easily moved to any Eurasian country or nation-state, instead of “taking back” their “homeland” under false pretenses.”
You are a complete buffoon. Which “Eurasian” country would you suggest?
And even you can’t possibly be so ignorant of the fact that Jews have been living in Israel for 3,000 years.
Check that, this is you we are talking about. Of course you can be that ignorant.
My bad.
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Republicans are idiots. When Obama was in power they claimed everyone but Obama was in power and now that Biden is in power they blame everyone but Biden. Bidens expectations couldn’t be any lower and he’s going to blow them out of the water when he debates Trump. Repukes and Trump, in pains me to say, are being completely outplayed by Democrats. It’s probably in no small part that the Repukes are actually playing for the Democrats and Trump has about 15 allies who have any power or sway in the whole country. Im watching a looming disaster and it’s not clear to me that it can be stopped.
I don't know, Jurker...the Eastern/Central Eurasian countries that they originated from?
And even you can’t possibly be so ignorant of the fact that Jews have been living in Israel for 3,000 years.
Nah, they're not the true Israelites. They're from Judea and then co-opted the Israel brand and weaseled their way into Palestine.
Check that, this is you we are talking about. Of course you can be that ignorant.
Quit being a shill, OK?
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“ I don’t know, Jurker...the Eastern/Central Eurasian countries that they originated from”
You mean like Poland? Romania? Tajikistan? You know, all the countries that were gleefully slaughtering Jews back in the 1940s? Would you have been stupid enough to stay or move there?
Check that, this is you we are talking about. Of course you would be stupid enough to do that.
“Nah, they’re not the true Israelites. They’re from Judea and then co-opted the Israel brand and weaseled their way into Palestine.”
Where did your family come from, Scooter? How long have they been here? 3 or 4 generations, tops I’d bet. By your, for lack of a better word, reasoning you’re not a true American.
“(See, I can type a single monogram letter too!)”
You don’t do it half as well.
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On another thread someone wrote “[w]e have a hard core Jew hating, jihad supporting, anarchist infesting the board.”
Actually we have a few of these. They are attempting to derail our conversations. Is there some way to get rid of them?
I'm not a big fan of the U.S. taxpayers funding the Israeli war machine, primarily because Israel is a wealthy country and we are not.
This being said, I don't give two craps about Palestinian women and children. Israel can turn the entire area to rubble as far as I'm concerned.
“ My account is going to get nuke again, ain’t it.”
If I have anything to do with it you’ll never be back. This is the one of yours I sent to the mod.
“ For the most part, the Jews in WWII were treated humanely by the Nazis.”
I hear Stormfront is looking for members. Head on over there.
Bye, bye.
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I didn't break or violate FR's directives.
I hear Stormfront is looking for members. Head on over there.
I'm not a White Supremacist, Lurker. I'm just an ordinary guy who wants America to be governed by Americans and to hold blacks accountable.
The kenyan muslim hates Israel.
Biden does as he is told and obama gets what he wants while biden gets the blame.
Nice gig there.
So Gaetz doesn’t understand the value of Fifth generation aircraft. Israel has far higher operational levels because they have more ground crew due to a draft. The US Air Force has real retention issues and a lot of focus is on keeping older aircraft flighing.
FJB. It is amazing, I actually hate this perverted, corrupt old shitbag more than Obama (who I know is running him).
Yeah you did. Racism, antisemitism, ETC is not welcome here.
And as a result God will lower the hammer on the U.S.
What is happening is Biden is playing with words based on a reality that is not mentioned.
The weapons are cut off in the event of a specified assault on Rafah that never will occur, The method of assault on Rafah is not up to that specified by the Biden order.
It’s Obama’s work.....Biden doesn’t know what day it is.
To build the entire scope of modern military weapons requires an economy, an industry, larger than what Israel has.
They produce what is critical (key) for them, and most of their basic systems (rifles ammo...) and they are a tech leader in some areas, but to produce it all and be able to do that in mass, is out of scope for a small nation of 9,000,000 people.
So they purchase F-15s, F-16s, F-35s, AH-64s, certain air defense systems, air to air systems (complex weapon systems)... These are complex systems that require the expertise of a broad range of folks to build, a large degree of specialization, specialized hardware, specialized high tech an (((economy of scale that is far out of scope for Israel))).
Only major security agreements: https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel/
Most agreements between our two nations: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/formal-agreements-between-us-and-israel
Specific the logistics agreement: https://books.google.com/books/about/Defense_Logistics.html?id=3rTCV-S06XEC
We sort of promised them that we would materially support them in a conflict. By withholding military hardware in order to pressure them to do what we want (outside of the scope of previous agreements) we are once again violating a treaty / agreement.
One of the problems with the US and any agreement / promise we make, is that Congress and the White House turn over constantly and the promises made by predecessors mean little for those following.
I agree with you 100% that we need to worry about our own problems, that we should NOT get involved in every foreign dispute and bankroll them. That said, unlike Ukraine where the argument is very weak, with Israel we have numerous agreements, we helped create the state, they assist us also, and the argument for why we should help actually holds true unlike Ukraine which is not a democracy, is not sovereign, and where the war was very much so provoked by us (NATO East expansion, etc)...
Even just combining these two conflicts (in the MSM and in a single bill to fund them) was a political maneuver and highly deceptive.
One is a legitimate cause where they really were attacked, are surrounded by heathens and savages that want to kill them. The other one is a bunch of rich folks and politicians in the West that would like to expand their wealth and power. Biden making these rich folks happy and giving them what they want. Personally I’d have no problem cutting Ukraine off since this is a BS war caused by the Biden administration, 100%. This caused a war: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ (((And it was entirely unnecessary.)))
But cutting Israel off or even pressuring them to execute this war according to our political whims (what benefits the Biden administration since the Palestinians have done a good job with the Western media and now Biden is trying to appease a lot of kids that vote) is further than I would go.
While I agree that we should be less involved and worry about our own problems, I wouldn’t go entirely isolationist. I’m not claiming you to be that way, just telling where I’m coming from. That said, some causes are justified, and some allies are true, and some nations really do have a democracy, follow laws, are sovereign... Abandoning Israel is IMHO a very bad thing.
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