[cicero's_son]

Would love to hear from you folks.

[xm177e2]

Gramsci would use our current position of strength to poison the fundamentalist populations with the disease of "moderate Islam," which would lead to the long-term pacification and democratization of the currently fundamentalist-controlled areas.

[cicero's_son]

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[Goetz_von_Berlichingen]

"Would he seed the Middle East with sleeper imams, friendly to Western goals? Would he introduce agents of change into these societies to reconstruct their value systems? Would he set up new Islamic academies, where the curriculum is friendly to the West?"

Probably. The sad thing is that in order to render Moslems harmless we must "corrupt" them with Yankee materialism.

I have rather limited knowledge of the region, but it seems to me that the model to consult for this might by Kemal Attaturk, who succeeded in modernising (and SECULARISING) Turkey.

One way or the other (as I have suggested on other threads), the real enemy in all of this is Sharia -- the strict collaboration of Koran ethics with the power of state enforcement. It is theocracy in a very literal sense, and it creates the atmosphere in which people like Osama and his followers were indoctrinated. Regardless of whether the Saudis are our "friends", this system must GO, the same way Japanese Emperor-worship, German National Socialism, and Russian Communism had to go. The human community cannot afford to tolerate any more incubators of terrorism. Islamic radicalism must be stamped out just as the Thuggee cult was eradicated in India. And its clerics must be branded as international war criminals and denied aid and asylum throughout the world.

So the first step is to eliminate the radical clergy. The second step is to introduce the Madison Avenue marketing experts, and inundate local society with pervasive exposure to the American idea of the good life. Subvert the strict interpretations of the Koran by a steady dosage of "higher criticism" in the colleges, so that the seminaries will produce lax, latitudinarian clerics. Expose the children to the temptations of moral laxity through incessant MTV. Tempt them to prefer comfort and gratification to discipline and virtue. In other words, turn them into the worst sort of Americans.

Perhaps it would be more merciful, after all, if we just nuked them.

[x]

We already have institutions in place that will integrate Arab elites into the West. Unfortunately, the best these channels will do in the short term is incline those elites towards neutrality, so long as tempers don't get too hot.

The strategy of guerillas is to heat things up to the point where the ruling power comes down so hard, that the locals feel compelled to join the guerrillas. Terror is also employed by the guerrillas against the local population to facilitate this. The local elites throw in with the guerrillas or perhaps with us or emigrate -- in any even they cease to be a major factor and our "Gramscian" strategy becomes useless. We aren't dealing with guerrillas, but the strategy of the terrorists could be the same.

Bear in mind, too, that the "Gramscian" strategy will also be employed against us. Maybe "Gramscian" isn't quite the right term for what North Vietnam did or didn't do, but they were more successful at winning over American elites than we were at winning over -- certainly North Vietnamese elites -- but in the end perhaps South Vietnamese elites as well. Colin Powell's argument for limited and winnable engagements is still wise.

If you are interested in strategy, you should see this.

[BunnySlippers]

Bookmark.

[nunya bidness]

Did you go to ground?

[Askel5]

You're mistaken if you believe the Soviets and China didn't understand and avail themselves of Gramsci's "destruction from within" strategies ... particularly the eroding of faith, tradition and all other strongholds of the COMMON SENSE necessary to keep individuals vigilant and nations strong.

[Askel5]

Even though we whipped Communism

How so? Because communism collapsed like a folding umbrella before our eyes?

Deception strategy.

[cicero's_son]

would love to hear your thoughts.

[cicero's_son]

A wise approach, or not?

[FreedomSurge]

Wasn't Hillery taught Gramsci through her teacher in college?

[Dr. Frank fan]

The problem is, at this point I see Radical Islam as basically the same thing as communist revolutionism with the Koran instead of a little red book; and with belief in Allah, instead of belief in the Historical Inevitability of Scientific Dialectical Materialism bla bla bla.

Gramscian tactics may work in infiltrating and weakening Western institutions in the interest of those with anti-Western and anti-freedom philosophies, but that doesn't mean the tool can be turned around and used against the latter. The situation is asymmetrical.

[patent]

History is replete with examples of governments trying to insidiously control religions. I don’t think the results thus far are promising. While we could no doubt do a great deal to destroy the essential nature of their faith, I cringe at the precedent of our nation actively seeking to subvert any faith.

Dominus Vobiscum

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[Coyote]

The Radical Moslems understand Gramsci better than we do. They simply KILL anyone trying to bring multiculturalism into their society. But I suspect that the 'best and brightest' in our own little frat clique may have woken up to that old defense as well. I posted my thoughts regarding this on another thread, but it's filling up. So I re-post it here for your amusement.

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It's very interesting to me, that MOST of the media circles who typically busy themselves badmouthing the US have either fallen mute, or have jumped on the patriotic bandwagon.

But it's also interesting that a number of establishment insiders worked in the WTC, and most of the rest (not all, but an overwhelming majority), from Congress to the Knee Jerk Times, have suddenly switched their rhetoric. The CFR clique is no longer busy patting each other on the back down at the Pratt House for their multicultural and socially degenerative successes at destroying US sovereignty in favor of their vision of the NWO, but instead, each one of them, acting as if THEY could either have been, or will be, on the hit list. Humble weeping and gnashing of teeth, giving way to anger.

They need us again now to do their dirty work on the battlefield and in the factory. This WTC event could have set back the past 50 years of their work by as much as 10-20 years, depending on just how complicated this global, multicultural, WWIII turns out to be. They're pissed, but IMHO, I think they're humbled. I suspect they're just beginning to realize they may have miscalculated the damage their cultural/US destruction has done to their own power base. I'm laughin' at them though, because although I don't write for Foreign Affairs, I've been telling them so for the past 10 years myself! So now I can honestly say, even if with a sadden sobriety, "I told 'ya so." And I am. The best and the brightest, my eye.

But to a certain degree, I think they know it already. At least they've been acting that way. Accordingly, I'm looking for them to hunker down to promoting a patriotic WWII mentality for the next several years. Otherwise, they may loose this fight, and I suspect they know it. Their setback is perhaps much more profound than even they realize yet. Because kids on MTV are praying with a new voice, having witnesses 5300 dead right in their own back yard and people jumping 1000 feet to their deaths rather than burn alive, and this patriotism has been etched in their minds with fire. This potentially puts back the NWO "One World, One Music" propaganda campaign by as much as a full generation. Instead of Rap music from black Islamic groups calling for the destruction of Western Civilization by blowing up the trade towers, the kids were witness to fat, freightented, middle aged Congressmen funbling with trembling hands over hymn books they haven't held since they were five years old, mouthing the mostly forgotten words of the Battle Hymn of the Republic, pausing only to discretely wipe genuine tears from their eyes. THAT'S gotta be an image stuck in the minds of everyone living in America today. Make sense?

My suspicion is that the anti-Western, specifically the anti-American rhetoric, will be discouraged in their media organs for several years or more. At least until they get this problem cleaned up, which could wind up indefinite. Probably not, but I'm no prophet. It does appear that they've miscaluated. The only other logical alternateves imply that either they KNEW, or were INVOLVED. And I'm not yet THAT cynical. So it seems they've painted themselves into a corner, IMHO. These current bad mouthing dialectical materialists among the media that were busy this past week just haven't got the message yet. It IS rather early. The message is we're going to have to fight a viscious enemy who doesn't care about materialsim, so the dialectic breaks down. This enemy is motivated by 'spiritual propaganda', as it were, and is suicidally adamant about their fight. To manage such an opponent, you MUST have an overpowering and uniting cultural ideology yourself. And interestingly, it appears that the elites suddenly remembered that we actually HAVE one!

Given that, I look for the multicultural crowd to be stuck on the back pages of the newspapers until this is over, however long it takes.

And I, especially if I'm correct, will be poking fun at these back-page, socially destructive, Gramscian Marxists, as they're relegated to bottom-shelf status for a while, a phenomenon they haven't suffered for 50 monopolizing, arrogant years. For the most refreshing moment, I am able to openly call them by the name that most aptly describes them, and not only will I get little opposition, but powerful patriotic support as well.

TRAITORS!

Ha, ha! And of course my favorite layman's anti-Gramsci propaganda spam was Original Sin.

[cicero's_son]

You're another one i'd love to hear from. Any thoughts?

[junta]

"All men are created equal" so put this idea to rest, get it?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Much here to read!

[mrustow]

I don't know that Gramsci would "handle" radical Islam. Gramscism is a strategy specifically designed to undermine liberal democracies, which grant a bunch of freedoms that radical Islam considers perversions: freedom of religion, opinion, the press, etc. It's not like Marxists are invisible, secret agents. They survive, and thrive, only in societies where slight deviations from the norm are permitted, and where they can recruit more initiates. Radical Islam offers no such liberties. Radical Islam's answer to Gramscians is, I think, to chop their heads off.