Posted on 09/19/2001 8:06:15 AM PDT by Reagan Man
The media also "told us" OJ did it. I am not convinced -- I believe his oldest son did it. We are lead to believe Condidit -- perhaps, but I've seen better theories. We are told, sources say, conventional wisdom indicates, unconfirmed reports, ...these phrases have meaning, impact. They can not be taken lightly. We have to learn to think for ourselves. A plan this ghoulish that took so long to accomplish cannot be solved in a sixty minute segment by talking heads.
One question I have for those who are so ready to jump on the Afgani-express is: if the media has distorted the facts for lo these many years, what evidence is there that they are giving you the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth now?
"Experts" promote activities which create a market for their expertise.
I.e., no surprise.
Didn't hear Pat, but as you know ObL was from Saudi Arabia; when our troops were there he saw it as a trangression of mamoth proportions: the infidels on their holy ground. THAT is the source of his hatred, no matter how looney it sounds to us.
Yes. That's part of it. Osama bin Laden was exiled from Saudi Arabia because he objected to the US presence involved in fighting the Gulf War.
bin Laden and his predecessors -- radical fundamentalist Islamics like the Mufti of Jerusalem (WW II) and the Omdurman dervishes of Kitchener's Khartoum -- object to the presence of Western civilization in any part of the Muslim world.
In the 19th century, they fought the Brits -- because they were there and because they represented the "intrusive" West and its secular, liberal (classical sense) culture. Now, in the 21st century, it's our turn, for we have committed the same sins in their eyes -- we are there and we represent the West and its culture.
Islam breeds movements like this every 50 to 100 years. Nothing is new, under the sun.
I think you meant to write ex-Iraqi military man instead of ex-Iranian. He served in Sadam Husseins's Republican Guard in the Gulf War and was seen with McVeigh before and at the scene of the OKC bombing on April 19, 1995.
I don't really care why he is after us, that he is after us is enough for me.
That excuse is as lame as the one that said the North was fighting to preserve the Union.
What are you trying to do here, disqualify yourself as a historian?
But Pat Buchanan today said something to the effect that it has to do with our being in Saudi Arabia.
Ah, you're buying into the "blame the victim" line be put out by Pat, the libertarians, and the losers on the left. I'm surprised such a bright guy like you would fall for that one.
Furthermore, OBL is so far removed from the front lines that none of us has ever seen him except on that video tape that we see played over and over again. So we really don't know about him. Even our governmt tells us they can't find him. Yet, for someone they have never seen or talked to, they claim to know that he is against our Bill of Rights, hates freedom, and even enough detail to know that he was the man behind last weeks attacks. Ya know it just doesn't wash.
I'm glad we have you, as you watch Dan Rather so diligently, to keep us informed of what is really going on in the world. I mean, the gov't with operatives all over the world, previous involvement with operatives in Afghanistan during the USSRs war there, and their intelligence gathering during various other attacks on America, i.e. WTC #1, embassy attacks, and the USS Cole, couldn't possibly understand much about this issue.
And if it is possible for a man to be so powerful and so hidden then i have to wonder if other countries don't have powerful men such as these hiding in the background while the leaders we see on TV everyday are the ones we think are leading.
Yeow, what are you trying to do here, convince me you're a paranoid CTist?
You should stow your gov't paranoia for the duration. There will be plenty for you to bellyache about once the gov't has saved your a$$ from another WTC like attack, or much worse.
Regarding an assassination policy, the liberals have shackled our intelligence apparatus with several gems of legislation, among them the Boland Amendment, specifically forbidding the use of any American intelligence or military assets in committing or even assisting an assassination.
All those in favor of repealing the Boland Amendment, please raise your hands.
You're correct that I am acting prematurely. There's just something about my worst nightmare coming true.
Thanks for your constructive (even if a little mean) criticism. We are Americans now. We need to stick together.
It's one thing for israel, an armored small country in the middle of a sea of hostility-to follow this sort of regime, but for the US to persue that as foreign policy will quickly change once various elected puffers get whacked. Which most likely would happen should it become official policy. Osama is an unelected or ruler of nothing really, saddam is a different deal there. My guess would be they might seek to use the carrot and the stick to foment a revolt in his own entourage, the more classical method, should they start to hit iraq again, which I believe they will. I also believe the reports that state he uses up to half a dozen body doubles and travels and hides constantly, they might get a 'body" that looks like saddam maybe, but if saddam expires it will be more likely a random collateral damage hit, or a member of his own entourage who does him.
Both hands raised.
Well if that were true we wouldn't be dealing with them now. They thrive because sponsoring nations don't or won't do the job of eradicating them.
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