Here may be our problem with Islam

XBob asked me the reason I found heroin so interesting, and even if the Taliban is heroin-reformed, which I doubt, that doesn't alter my answer.

With all due respect for your religious sensibilities, speaking factually, you are holding a bust hand here.

U.S. Newswire 18 Sep 9:00 Prosecute Bin Laden Through Taliban Heroin Connection, Ex-White House Drug Staffer Urges

...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 18, 2001 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by Robert Weiner Associates:

-- Prosecute Bin Laden Through Taliban Heroin Connection, Ex-White House Drug Staffer Urges

-- A.G. And Sec. State Should Look At Taliban Nurturing Funds From World-Leading Opium Cultivation And Heroin Production

Robert Weiner, former White House drug policy director of public affairs and spokesman for Drug Czars Barry McCaffrey and Lee Brown, is suggesting the investigation and prosecution of terrorist Osama bin Laden through the Taliban's "nurturing" of funds from Afghanistan's world-leading opium poppy cultivation, the raw product for heroin production, as an additional way to expose and prosecute the way "bin Laden and those who harbor him may get a great part of their operational money."

Weiner's statement follows:

As evidence grows of Osama bin Laden and his network's connection to the most horrific terrorism in our history, and as President Bush promises to mobilize the nation for a military campaign against those who harbor such terrorists and a disruption of their financing, consider this fact: Afghanistan is the world's largest producer of the opium poppy, the crop refined into heroin. According to the State department, Afghanistan's poppy cultivation area has quadrupled since 1990.

The Taliban government has made no effective attack against opium cultivation or production. On the contrary, they have nurtured the development of an infrastructure for the production of heroin "in contrast to several years ago when nearly all heroin refining took place outside the country," the State Department reports. Despite Taliban claims, officials believe that nothing indicates that the Taliban intends to take serious action to destroy heroin laboratories or stop drug trafficking.

Or this:

Taliban's heroin 'double-cross'
The Daily Telegraph
By Julian West and Philip Sherwell
Sunday 18 February 2001

THE poppy fields of Afghanistan's Golden Crescent, normally the source of three-quarters of the world's heroin, have been transformed this year, according to United Nations drugs officials.

Cash crop: Afghanistan was the source last year for 75 per cent of the world supply of opium After a detailed two-week tour, they say that few of the 175,000 acres formerly covered by the deadly opium crop are still in bloom. The fundamentalist Taliban regime ordered the country's farmers to stop growing poppies following an edict by Mullah Omar, the supreme religious leader, that opium cultivation is un-Islamic.

The move, however, has little to do with a new religious stance from the Islamic fundamentalist movement, which has been happy to bolster its coffers with the proceeds of the drugs trade. Rather, it is a cynical effort to win UN recognition and with it the lifting of sanctions and the restoration of foreign aid.

Western diplomats believe that if the tactic fails, poppy production will soon resume. In the meantime, the regime is believed to be taking advantage of soaring heroin prices - up four-fold in a year - to release controlled supplies from their large stockpiles of the roughly refined drug on to the market through middlemen.

The biggest financial losers of the cutback in poppy-growing are the country's already impoverished farmers. Their replacement crops of wheat and vegetables are much less lucrative, meaning that some families have even been forced to sell their young daughters into marriage to pay off debts.

American officials confirm that there has been a substantial drop in Afghan poppy cultivation but believe that the team from the UN Drug Control Programme is being "overly optimistic" by saying that the crop has been wiped out.

"Is that a good enough reason? "

depends on where you are coming from. no comment, for now.

...and one last time for you, "ALLAH IS NOT THE FATHER, THE SON OR THE HOLY GHOST." ENOUGH SAID!

I have pity for all those that reject the truth and follow a false teaching. Everything I stated was fact and no where did I state that I personaly hate anyone. The fact is that the majority of islamic states twist their own perveted religion into hating Americans. Radical islam is similar to Nazi Germany and communist USSR and China in their destruction of life and humnaity. I pray that you will see the light and that muslims stop attacking Israel which are God's chosen people and Jeruslaem is their eternal capitol. Only twisted people and a twisted religion could preach hate and to kill their enemies. Christ tells us to love our enemies and I struggle with this every day in trying to do just this. Muslims take adavantage of this Christian philosiphy everyday and murder us. September 11 is just another example of middle east hatred and muslim hatred similar to East Timor and the killings there as well as Sudan and countless other places under the name of islam where chirstians are killed. This is the antichrist and if you consider that hate speach so be it. It is the truth and you can't hide this or wash it away or try to sugar coat it. Millions are mislead to this false teaching of hate in the muslim world because they fear the spread of Christianity. I will in no way take any blame for your leaving or rejecting the christian faith. If this was your reasoning why would you than stand by what the hate filled muslims are doing in the name of islam killing everywhere? If you do not go by doctrine but by the attitudes and actions of that religions believers than you are the largest hipocrit on the planet along with Bin Laden. Forgive my blunt talk and attitude because I am no longer tolerant of radicals killing my fellow Americans in the name of Islam. I pray for you and I pray for God's will to be done. I also stand by my country 100% in the goal to go after and erraticate all terrorists and murderers around the globe.

depends on where you are coming from. no comment, for now.

No, it doesn't. Reasons stand on fall on their own merits, not on the merits of their proponents. If I am green slime from Jupiter, I still either have a valid argument or I don't, on the merits of the argument. The analogy with your silly argument about me not using gasoline is obvious, and palpable, and remains unanswered.

Dear ladies and gentleman, FYI we have an activist in here with nothing better to do than argue all day long. Having been asked to shut up about spreading propoganda about his religion and politics on news.grc.com, he proceeds to come here and spread more propoganda. Unemployed and scrounging off state welfare while exercising his freedom of speech which also covers telling lies and twisting anything people post and deliberately quoting out of context. You should be aware that (ankaboot) aka (Abujamal) aka (Sheikh Dawud Ahmad Al-Amriki) is well known across many newsgroups as a TROLL. A visit to grc.news.feedback and grc.ten-forward a week or so back will give you an indication of what this guy is all about. He loves nothing better than to expose peoples names and addresses if they disagree with him or his activist minions. He will argue forever about nothing just for arguements sake and he is best off completely ignored as he always has to have the last word. Ignoring him completely like so many others do upsets him all the more and he goes away with his tail between his legs to spread FUD elsewhere. You will also find his propoganda on muslim groups on deja. A visit to his website at http://www.muslimamerica.net will give you an idea that this guy is a troublemaker first class. He uses 3 different email addresses that are well known muslims@earthlink.net abujamal@pchelpers.org and muslims@muslimamerica.net. Sheikh Dawud Ahmad Al-Amriki, Muslim America, P.O. Box 231, Springdale, WA, 99173-0231, tel. (509) 258-9031, fax 1 (800) Muslims. Springdale, WA USA Here are some other useful details about this TROLL that is trying to hide his identity under this new alias. Beware like all TROLLS he has many aliases but he is easy to spot from his email addresses and the propoganda he spreads. He claims the only hope for America is Islam and that if you insult him that you should be careful his more militant brothers do not get to hear of it from him. Do a little research on him with the above search criteria and you will turn up alsorts of fundamentalist and radical activist crap, screaming for jihad and many more of his cut and paste ramblings posted to enflame and poke a reaction. Hey Abujamal, Give it up TROLL the game is up. We know what you are. We know what you stand for and we know what you are up to. *vome*

I find more spritual value in used TP !

Cheese .

YOU ARE A STUPPID BIGOTED FOOL. no wonder they hate us. You are truly worthy of hating.

"Be like the better son of Adam"

And who may that be????? Get behind me satan, in the precious name of Jesus.....

In His Service

BUMP