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Miami Firemen Refuse to Ride on Truck Carrying Flag
NewsMax ^ | Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2001

Posted on 09/19/2001 4:47:11 PM PDT by Map Kernow

Three Miami firefighters refused to ride on a fire engine carrying the American flag because they deemed Old Glory "offensive," the fire department said today.

The U.S. flag represents "oppression," the three government employees griped - and they refused to respond to emergency calls Saturday until a crew chief removed it, the Associated Press reported.

"He felt the best thing to do was for the administration to deal with this later," said Miami-Dade Fire-Rescue spokesman Lt. Louie Fernandez. "This way, citizens were never affected as far as their fire and rescue service."

On Monday, Miami-Dade Fire Chief Dave Paulison ordered all county fire engines to carry the American flag in honor of the firefighters and police officers killed in New York in last week's terrorist attacks.

One of the three returned to work today and rode on the fire engine without any protest, WPLG reported. The other two, employed at Station 26 in Opa-Locka, have been on scheduled leave since Saturday but are expected to return to work Monday.

Fernandez said that if they refuse to ride when they return, they "will be met with severe discipline."

"I've had more than 100 phone calls from firefighters around the county who are appalled at this report," he said. "We lost 400 colleagues in New York. This is our way of expressing sympathy."


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To: Asuryan
LOL @ hyphenated Americans
21 posted on 09/19/2001 5:20:01 PM PDT by itwasntme
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To: Map Kernow
Fernandez said that if they refuse to ride when they return, they "will be met with severe discipline."

Here's an idea: Send the mopes to "Ground Zero" & hand 'em a shovel.

22 posted on 09/19/2001 5:20:04 PM PDT by 24-7Freeper
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To: Asuryan
I'm glad you brought up "hyphenated." Isn't it about time we got rid of that hyphenated garbage?
23 posted on 09/19/2001 5:20:08 PM PDT by In mourning for six years
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To: Map Kernow
Just a quick post to let you see my email to them and their response. YOU ALL NEED TO EMAIL MIAMI DADE FIRE RESCUE and voice your comments.

Dear Tony:

I've passed your comments on to Chief Paulison as you requested. The county mayor, county manager, and Chief Paulison are extremely troubled by word that two firefighters reportedly refused to ride a fire engine because it displayed the American flag. If true, this sentiment does not reflect that of the fire department or Miami-Dade government.

The mayor, manager and the fire cheif wish to reassure residents that our fire rescue department, considered one of the best in world, is filled with very capable fire fighters and rescue personnel willing and eager to assist our residents, even if it means putting their lives at risk.

The fire fighters in question are currently on scheduled leave time. Officials from the fire director's office have not had the opportunity to meet with them directly. If the stories hold true regarding their reported refusal to ride fire trucks that displayed the American flag, these individuals will be dealt with appropriately.

Miami-Dade County can take great pride in knowing that our government and its employees, just like our residents, were quick to respond to the unthinkable attacks against America on September 11, 2001. We have offered the affected communities assistance with equipment and expertise, deployed emergency personnel to the scene of the attacks, led relief efforts, organized blood drives, and held numerous memorial and tributes.

For more information, residents may visit the county website at www.miamidade.gov.

Shari Holbert Lipner

Public Information Officer

Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Department

9300 NW 41st Street

Miami, FL 33178

(786) 331-5204 sharihl@miamidade.gov

-----Original Message-----

From: Tony Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:36 PM

To: Public Information Office (MDFR)

Subject: AP Wire Story 19 Sept.


Chief R. D. Paulison

Fire Rescue Department

9300 N.W. 41st. Street

Miami Florida 33178-2414


Dear Chief Paulison,

Today I read an article posted on the AP Wire Service that indicated that two Fire Fighters from Station 26 refused to ride their assigned truck because you ordered the American Flag to be flown from the equipment. First of all I commend you for your order to display the Flag in this time of a National Tragedy, the mourning of your fellow Fire Fighters, EMTs, and Police officers who so valiantly gave their lives in the service to others and those Military Forces who are about to go in harms way. It is my understanding that their refusal was for protesting the Flag was a symbol of repression.


I am outraged by their cold feelings in memory of their Brethren and respect for their country. The two men accepted the Honored profession of Fire Fighter and the wages paid by the tax payers of their community. They have an obligation to protect the public and property of the Citizens in the Country in which they live.


Both men should be severely disciplined for their actions up to and including termination. If they feel our Flag is oppressive then let them name another flag they feel is better and offer them tickets to that country. Now is a time for showing concern, respect, and support for our government and not some show of petty protest. The men involved displayed a total lack of judgement and respect for authority.


My brother is currently serving as an Officer with the Washington D. C. Metropolitan Police Department and is working to serve others, not to advance some petty political agenda. As far as I am concerned their actions have tarnished the reputation of your Department and the Brothers they work with daily, as well as the entire Community they were supposed to protect.


I know that the there are those who would view harsh discipline unfavorably however I also view their actions unpardonable at this time. If I had the address of the Fire Fighters Local in Miami I would have also copied this email to them.


I have proudly served my Country in the past and would do so today if called. If not terminated the two men owe a letter of apology to your community, the Department, the National Fire Fighters Union, and the Country as a whole. 400 Brave Men and Women gave their lives and they should be Honored at this time.


Sincerely yours,

Tony

24 posted on 09/19/2001 5:21:06 PM PDT by YOMO
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To: Map Kernow
When this gets out, and it will, none of the other firemen will want to work with them.

I can't understand these morons. All those firemen lost in NYC. I guess these losers feel nothing about that either.

25 posted on 09/19/2001 5:21:51 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: lonestar
Station 26 Opa-locka

3190 N.W. 119 Street

Miami, FL 33167

26 posted on 09/19/2001 5:22:25 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
Just to pick you up a bit, HERE'S the other side of it.


27 posted on 09/19/2001 5:22:50 PM PDT by Coyote
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To: uscit
Firemen who can't ride under the flag of our country should be fired. There are tens of thousands of people across the US being laid off now (airline companies, Boeing, telecoms, etc.) Surely some of those being laid off have the physical and mental qualifications to train as firefighters, and are *loyal* to boot.
28 posted on 09/19/2001 5:22:50 PM PDT by ikanakattara
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
Hm, another thread said it was two...

Really? Well, maybe one of them died or something....

29 posted on 09/19/2001 5:22:58 PM PDT by Map Kernow
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To: Map Kernow
Let's take a logical approach to this. They will say that these firemen are upset at the flag as a symbol that violates their religious beliefs. Well then think of the fire truck. Several places on the truck have the name or logo of the truck's manufacturer. These are symbols. The truck's doors have either a city, county, or fire department logo which are also symbols. If only the city's name is on there then the letters are symbols for words. Those firefighters would have to avoid every truck due to it's symbols, with or without a flag. So that argument can't wash. These Clymers are just Anti-American.
31 posted on 09/19/2001 5:24:05 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Map Kernow
...these clowns should be firemen no more!!! Escort them out of the country as they are no doubt recent immigrants...
32 posted on 09/19/2001 5:26:24 PM PDT by Califreeper
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To: ALL
OPERATION INFINITE FReedom

Email to: team metro

County Manager Email: Steve Shiver County Manager Phone/FAX (305)375-3511/(305)375-4658

DO NOT CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT (sorry in case we had some disruptors with no common sense)

FReep away to victory folks!!!!
33 posted on 09/19/2001 5:27:18 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Map Kernow
I'm a former firefighter for the Phoenix FD. I'm livid about this attitude of some of the folks I would have considered brothers. It's a scary attitude and I would like to know more about this story before I explode.
34 posted on 09/19/2001 5:27:43 PM PDT by lightning
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To: Coyote
Thank you. A very nice pick me up. And by the way, just another thought...Who would have ever dreamed the Russians care more about us, than the college students WE, the working American pay for to go to school. Amazing times we live in.
35 posted on 09/19/2001 5:30:12 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: uscit
Almost certainly recent immigrants, probably Haitians. I'd bet anything.

You need to know more about Haitians. They're very grateful for this country has offered and are a very hard-working people.

36 posted on 09/19/2001 5:30:31 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: Map Kernow
For those who find the American Flag oppressive...quit working for the oppressive dollar...living in your oppressive city...your oppressive state...this oppressive country.

Thank God for the oppressive fire personnel...police personnel...rescue workers...who I can rely on to help me no matter what oppressive day or night situation.

37 posted on 09/19/2001 5:30:37 PM PDT by nancetc
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To: Map Kernow
If the flag offends them maybe we could take up a collection to ship them to the country of their choice.
38 posted on 09/19/2001 5:32:55 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: Map Kernow
Sadly, Miami is a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!! You can drive MILES...I mean MILES and not see a sign or ad in ENGLISH!! It's DISGUSTING!!

When I lived in so. Fl. I had to get a pasport in Miami to g to England, and I felt more at home in ENGLANDthan in Miami....at the airport the mesages are in Spanish...FIRST!!

39 posted on 09/19/2001 5:34:19 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: c-b 1
I emailed the county manager and their emergency response teams suggesting they "volunteer" to go to NYC and help with the dead. That should either cause them to quit, or open their eyes.
40 posted on 09/19/2001 5:34:42 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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