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Is Debka.com gaining credibility? [my title]
New York Observer ^ | 9/28/01 | Sridhar Pappu and Gabriel Snyder

Posted on 09/29/2001 5:12:17 AM PDT by foreverfree

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To: No Truce With Kings
Some Freepers' hostility towards DEBKA/GAMLA has nothing to do with the site's reliability.
21 posted on 09/29/2001 10:31:28 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: RasterMaster
What are you gonna say next, the Mossad attacked us?
22 posted on 09/29/2001 10:33:26 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: Yehuda
Apparently, you would believe all the lies from the middle east. I say NONE of them can be trusted. The ENTIRE region is a threat, as well as those who fight for "religious" reasons. Fox reported several months ago about Israeli spies in this country. Why would our "friends" need to spy on us? Why would they need to bug official phones IN OUR COUNTRY? Everyone is the enemy, until they have sufficiently proven otherwise. Sure, we can call them our "friends" and "allies" while the cameras are on....just as they do. But while the cameras are looking the other way, I would be conducting black ops in their country. Several news outlets reported than none of the Jewish people who worked in WTC showed up to work that day, and the reports were neatly brushed under the rug. If we are not going to ELIMINATE the problem of Palestine, mainly Arafat, then Israel is an equal threat to peace. I do not feel that we should take anyone's side all the time no matter what they allow to go on within their country. You have responded with lack of common sense once again, dip$hit.
24 posted on 09/30/2001 8:46:14 AM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: Yehuda
All your "friends" in Israel are responsible for allowing the scum of Palestine to exist. If they refuse to eliminate the threat, they have only intensified the situation. I care about OUR country, not ISRAEL.

They have made no effort to diffuse the situation, only ensuring America's necessity to correct their mistakes over the last 30 years. Keep your head up your ass, then. I can see it has permanent residence there. All the Middle East is a threat, if they choose to participate in skirmishes back and forth, without getting to those responsible, then they are a threat to THIS country.

To hell with the idea that we should be held responible for their warring. I do not feel that we SHOULD be involved in the middle east at all, but since that issue has been forced, we should nuke the region and all those who sympathize with them. Put the bleeding hearts like you on the front line and see how many of the scum will defend ya!

All you can do is go from thread to thread, to follow me around, when nobody yanked yer chain. I had no comments directed to you, so piss off.

26 posted on 10/01/2001 10:57:47 AM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: Yehuda
All your "friends" in Israel are responsible for allowing the scum of Palestine to exist. If they refuse to eliminate the threat, they have only intensified the situation. I care about OUR country, not ISRAEL.

They have made no effort to diffuse the situation, only ensuring America's necessity to correct their mistakes over the last 30 years. Keep your head up your ass, then. I can see it has permanent residence there. All the Middle East is a threat, if they choose to participate in skirmishes back and forth, without getting to those responsible, then they are a threat to THIS country.

To hell with the idea that we should be held responible for their warring. I do not feel that we SHOULD be involved in the middle east at all, but since that issue has been forced, we should nuke the region and all those who sympathize with them. Put the bleeding hearts like you on the front line and see how many of the scum will defend ya!

All you can do is go from thread to thread, to follow me around, when nobody yanked yer chain. I had no comments directed to you, so piss off. If you would actually PAY ATTENTION to the news, rather than hide on the anonymous internet, you would have heard about the contracts on Bin-Laden's head (I'll bet he's really your illegitimate father). It seems to make you angry when I mention that all other countries are the enemy, and I believe our country is better and stronger. Therefore, you should look at what you have typed all weekend....seems that you are working for Bin-Laden and middle-eastern enemies.

27 posted on 10/01/2001 11:00:29 AM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: Yehuda

Making "deals" with the terrorist only shows that they too must have something to gain through all the violence. Hearing them cry about it over and over, only to make deals, give up land, and compromise with terrorists leaves one to think they want event to continue just as they always have been for the last 30 years. Eliminate the threat, or the US should ELIMINATE YOU!

28 posted on 10/01/2001 11:10:27 AM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: foreverfree
I need to check out this site. Heard of it. Never been there.
29 posted on 10/01/2001 11:35:09 AM PDT by TKEman
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To: RasterMaster
If you looked at the list of the WTC victims you'd see several Jewish names in there. Also, one of the major web news sites (I can't remember which one - I read them all these days) did a story in the last several days about this "no Jews in the WTC on 9/11/01" thing.
30 posted on 10/01/2001 12:00:58 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: TKEman
What I commented on was that it had not been denied...the "news" agencies made a statement, but never followed up on it.

My other thoughts on the Jewish situation, although I believe the government would not publicly make statements of fighting with the Israeli's, if the Palestinians are not eradicated, the threat continues.

I care not about the plight of foreigners in other nations. I worry more about our own children being fed rather than children of our enemy. Our resources have been going overseas for ages, as we are the #1 donator of food and aid to the middle east, yet they continue to blame us for their own woes. Let them starve while killing each other over a scrap of worthless land. When they bring their trash to our shores, I think it should be pointed out that although Israel has showed the world that they can live amongst the enemy, they have DONE NOTHING to eliminate the threat and wipe out their enemy once and for all.

How many "peace talks" are they going to have with Arafat before they actually DO something. After 30 years, you would think these ignorant people would see the error of their ways. Either eradicate all palestinians or give up. Allowing bombing after bombing to occur is not how to prevent the same events from re-occurring. All terrorist groups originate from training in Palestine terror camps, which should have been the primary target. Arafat should have been assasinated before taking power. You cannot make peace with your enemies until you have brought them to their knees and they can no longer present a threat to peace.

Now that this activity may continue until my children or grandchildren come of age is the only thing that frightens me. I am not afraid to face the enemy or those who sympathize with them in this country.

However, the cowards do not fight. They only bomb and attack the ones who cannot defend themselves. If they refuse to control their own hostilities toward each other, then the problems should be dealt with. We nuked two cities in Japan for much less death, which was inflicted upon a military target.

31 posted on 10/01/2001 12:28:15 PM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: Yehuda
because it was posted by Pravda and Hamas' news sites, and only you and a few dozen others in the US and millions of muslims bought into it - keep failing to retract your erroneous post, and you accidentally keep working FOR bin laden.

This was reported by MSNBC and other AMERICAN news services

welcome to the club - now which part of which post by almost EVERY ISRAEL SUPPORTING FREEPER calling for the elimination of the PLO did you miss?

What I am saying is if ISRAEL will not destroy their enemy and only encourage their enemy to drag the US into the fight, their loyaly to our country is in question. It has been more than 30 years and Israeli's keep playing the game. I have grown weary of those who expect us to take a stand in the country. I say ignore them all, if they are going to continue to play the cards delt to them by the palestinian "government". We should bring an entirely new deck full of ACES if we are to be involved. No diplomacy for barbarians, they only understand BOMBS and BULLETS. Any war which claims to be based on religion is a lie. Regardless if it be from Israel or Afganistan, any cease fire agreements which are not honored by either side, should be nuked...IMMEDIATELY! The other side would get the hint that we are not playing their game any more.

If you believe this in your heart, then go to the Kahane site where there are many who COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, and are condemned by the US state department for it (and risk arrest in the US for supporting them, and risk death in Israel for same). (note this site is loading VERY slow today.)

I am suprised for you to mention agreement, after venting on me about how I should care about the plight of the poor people under the thumb of an oppressor. I think America took care of our problem, but unfortunately, other countries did not follow our example. Rather than admit they are wrong, they would rather destroy us from within, proving their point that their ideas are right.

I am unaware of the groups you mention, and am only able to give my perspective on the subject, from growing up in the time of the first airline hijakkings, and the escalation of such activity, rather than ridding the problem from the world forever.

I normally do not apologize for any views I have or any posts I make, but I do think it was tragic that you figured I was "anti-Jew" or racist by my statements. I cannot put much into these boxes, and try to clarify on replies. I would hope that you would challenge my points, rather than attack in the future.

I never cared much for the middle-east or the people I have met from the region. I always felt their best and brightest should be working on reforming their own governments rather than seek sanctuary here, and bringing the fight to our soil.

Please remember, I put this country FIRST, above all others, right or wrong. I back the government regardless if I do not like the situation (had to make an exception with Clintoon). I did not feel our former occupant of the White House was fit for Dog Catcher in Little Rock, but apparently there are those out there that would rather learn the hard way.

I don't believe that America should constantly stand guard over Israel when they pick a fight. What has been going on back and forth there in the last 30 years is a joke. If they are not going to eliminate the problem, the become PART of the problem.

Somebody teach those CHILDREN not to throw rocks at armed SOLDIERS. That would be a good place to start. If we can make a truce when all the facts are before us, why can there be peace elsewhere? Now the American Military will have to "create" peace since others will not strive to obtain it on their own.

33 posted on 10/01/2001 3:05:20 PM PDT by RasterMaster
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To: RasterMaster
I personally have no sympathy for your views. Far from it. In fact, I'm a big supporter of Israel. The people living in Israel today, except for the very old, simply had nothing to do with the originial partition of the area into two states. I'm sorry, but your thinking on this issue reminds me of Arator's.

You blame Jews for not "wiping out" the problem long ago, coming up with a final solution for the area.

You basically condemn Jews for not doing something that if they did do, you would immediately condemn as racist on their part. While I understand the logic, Israel is a democracy, and democracies tend not to operate in such manner. None of the surrounding countries are democracies. Israel is in a tough position. Your hostility towards the Jews has a long pedigree.

34 posted on 10/01/2001 5:25:54 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: Yehuda
I understand your anger. However, I, ahem, would hope a more moderate stance prevails in the region. I'm a big supporter of Israel, and have been bashed left, right and center by the Buchanan supporters here for it. Nevertheless, all should strive for peace in the region.
35 posted on 10/01/2001 5:33:51 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: piasa
For a journalist Giora sure doesn't leave much of a trail on google.

LEXIS/NEXIS rocks... ;)

I found 16 articles written by him - 3 from 1990 in the Jerusalem Post, and the remainder are from about 1987 or so in US News and World Report.
36 posted on 10/01/2001 5:44:24 PM PDT by general_re
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To: TKEman
Only do to the extent of the problem not being eradicated due to failures of many involved in the area at different times. If war exists, call it what it is. If it happens to be two races fighting each other, then Israel would be best to put itself in a position that other nations had to accomodate them without conflict. If conflict is the only means to the end they are seeking. They should take it all the way. Going half-way with the task at hand doesn't work, and "peace talks" between the two groups are only photo ops for both. One side needs to say either you live in peace, or be eliminated permanently. No negotiations.

I really have no beef with either side in what their battle is over, a small piece of desert, and belief of "ownership". I am more concerned with situations on our soil rather than worry about foreign problems. Since they are forcing our involvement, I say to both: either live in peace, or be nuked until the land is no longer inhabitable.

When they bring their fight to my back yard, both will be eliminated, regardless of which is right.

Since I cared not for the area, or the concerns of either, I have a totally different point of view than someone who is of the Jewish faith. I never stated we should start hunting down Arabs and Jews in this country and deport them....although to you it seems I have taken that stance.

Of course it is no secret that Arafat is behind all terror groups and was the only way he was able to come to power in the first place. Palestinians have no leg to stand on in that fight, but why have the UN refused to recognize the problem? They are part of the problem. The US stands alone in this fight, now that we have been dragged into it.

The topic seems to be stuck on the Israeli situation because you stated that you sympathize with them. What ARAB nation wants to rid their country of terrorism? ZERO, that is how they came to power. I am against all countries in the middle east, even those who claim to be our "friends".

37 posted on 10/01/2001 5:47:38 PM PDT by RasterMaster
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