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Sharon to US: Don't turn Israel into Czechoslovakia
JPOST ^ | OCT 4

Posted on 10/04/2001 12:16:59 PM PDT by ipaq2000

20:40) Sharon to US: Don't turn Israel into Czechoslovakia

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has instructed the IDF to use whatever means necessary to defend the country, he told reporters tonight.

He made his comments after three Israelis were killed this afternoon in Afula, and a terror attack overnight in Jerusalem in which two people were injured.

He also urged the United States not to turn its back on Israel in favor of the Arab states in the way Europe ignored Czechoslovakia in 1938. The results of that move were calamitous, he said.

There is considerable concern in Jerusalem that the Bush administration is allowing terrorist states to join the war on terrorism.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: czechoslovakia; sudetenland
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Comment #41 Removed by Moderator

To: Lent
Well I see the Jihad cheering section is gearing up again. The remark about New York, especially now, is sick. I am dismayed at the callousness of these apologists for Hamas, et al.
42 posted on 10/04/2001 1:26:47 PM PDT by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: LarryM
How about killing our enemies instead of kissing up to them?

BUMP!!

43 posted on 10/04/2001 1:27:20 PM PDT by Anamensis
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To: KLT
Number 2, you're damn right NY is dangerous, thanks to the Arab terrorists, so maybe we should just coddle them some more? If you are nieve enough to believe they attacked us because of Israel, I've got a nice bridge to sell you right near Ground Zero....Hello....

BTTTT

44 posted on 10/04/2001 1:28:45 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Lock & Load
Israel does not deserve the support of America.

Sharon is not war criminal.

He sued a paper that called him one - AND WON. So better be careful.

Poll: US-Israel ties stronger than ever

Jerusalem Post, by Dan Izenberg

American support for close US ties with Israel is stronger than ever following the September 11 attacks, a poll conducted by International Communications Research (ICR) shows. ICR, a leading American polling firm which does work for ABC News, The Washington Post, and the Associated Press, found that 92 percent of Americans endorse full cooperation between the US and Israel in combating terrorism, while 4% oppose such cooperation. Seventy-four percent of Americans favor either strengthening ties with Israel or maintaining the current, close relationship. Only 10% favor distancing the US from Israel.

And from another article:

"A frustrated Secretary of State Colin Powell insisted Wednesday that the US-led anti-terrorism campaign was not directed at Islam despite persistent reports in the Arab and Muslim world to the contrary.

"The fact that Israel is a strategic partner of ours and we support Israel and we will do everything to make sure Israel can live in peace and security, should not be seen, although I'm afraid it is often seen, as being anti-Arab."

45 posted on 10/04/2001 1:29:05 PM PDT by veronica
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To: Brian S
The Israeli gov't is freaking out because the USA is finally establishing some form of diplomatic contacts with countries it doesn't approve of.

Ah the Israeli government?

Like Cal Thomas - who is an American, Christian, Conservative journalist - the most widely read in the US?

September 11th's last casualty

"THE Bush administration appears ready to make a serious foreign policy mistake at the moment it is trying to stamp out the evil of terrorism as practiced by Osama bin Laden and his followers.

According to numerous press reports, the administration has linked the dispute between Israel and the Palestinians with unrest in the entire region and is now said to be ready to back the creation of a Palestinian state. It apparently believes such a state will diminish unrest and brutality in a neighborhood that has known little else for the 2,000 years Israel did not exist as a nation-state and in the ensuing 53 years that it has."

Follow link for more. Nope...it's not the Israeli govt. It's sane people.

46 posted on 10/04/2001 1:34:47 PM PDT by veronica
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To: CommiesOut
It's official now.

Very cute, but no cigar.

(18:20) Reports: Ukrainian army shot down plane By Jerusalem Post Internet Staff, Ap

It is being reported here that the Ukranian army may have fired a missile that shot down the Sibir Airlines plane that crashed into the Black Sea this afternoon en route from Israel to Siberia.

A senior Ukranian nayy officer, Igor Larichev, said the missile accidentally hit the plane that was carrying some 75 - 77 passengers and crew.

However, a short time later, Ukraine's Defense Ministry issued a statement denying that it fired a missile that was capable of hitting the plane.

It is understood the Ukrainian army may have fired some 20 missiles today as part of military exercises in the area of the Black Sea.

"All the rockets used during the training exercise had guaranteed service lives and self-destruction mechanisms in case they deviated from their course," said Defense Minister Oleksandr Kuzmuk, according to a statement released by ministry spokesman Kostyantyn Khivrenko.

A U.S. Defense Department official in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a land-based surface-to-air missile had been fired from the Crimean region of Ukraine.

Ukraine is the only country known to be conducting military exercises in the Black Sea area, the official said.

The downing of the airliner appeared to be accidental, the U.S. officials said.

Romanian and French pilots are also taking part in an air exercise in the region of Romania's Black Sea port of Constanta, Romanian officials have said. The exercise apparently includes the firing of air-to-ground missiles.

The Ukrainian exercises were conducted on Cape Onuk, in Crimea, about 250 kilometers (160 miles) from the site of the crash, on territory controlled by the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

Ukrainian anti-aircraft, navy, rocket forces, aviation and artillery took part as well as Russian forces including shore-based forces and a guard ship.

Part of the exercise involved firing on an unmanned aircraft.

According to military officials, the exercise included anti-aircraft S-125, S-200 and S-300 rockets, which are similar to U.S. "Patriot" missiles, and R-300 tactical rockets.

"The direction of the firing and the distance do not correspond to the plane's explosion site either in theory or in practice. All the hits by the rockets used during the exercise were recorded by corresponding devices and reached their targets," Khivrenko, the Ukrainian defense spokesman, said.

"Moreover, the monitoring means of Ukraine's Air Defense Forces as well as those of the Ukrainian air traffic control did not record the presence of any civilian aircraft in the exercise area during the maneuvers."

He said that the targets were at a distance of 35-39 kilometers (21-24 miles).

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Putin says he remains unconvinced that the plane was hit by accident.

47 posted on 10/04/2001 1:36:51 PM PDT by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: KLT
Where did you get the idea that I believed that the terrorists should be "coddled"? I certainly didn't express that view in my post. The terrorists should be swiftly and unmercifully annihilated along with any country which supports such acts. The fact reamins however, that the US has no business giving Israel aid of any sort.
48 posted on 10/04/2001 1:37:03 PM PDT by The Green Goblin
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
I have been on FR since just about day one and I am finally getting a PhD in revisionist history. The hate that exzudes from this thread alone makes Ben Laden look mainstream.
49 posted on 10/04/2001 1:37:45 PM PDT by cksharks
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To: Lent
I strongly recommend that your read "The Perestroika Deception" and "New Lies For Old" by Anatoliy Golitsyn and anything on the web by Yossef Bodansky. These writings may cause you to rethink just to what extent the "Cold War" ever really ended. Whether or not you end up agreeing with all or part of these writings, they should make for some interesting perspectives that you would never get from the main stream and even only rarely on this forum.

Cheers,

BM

52 posted on 10/04/2001 1:41:45 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD
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To: veronica
Excellent article by Cal.
53 posted on 10/04/2001 1:42:51 PM PDT by Lent
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To: Macroman
In contrast, 70% of American Muslims voted for Bush/Cheney.

That is unsubstantiated crap from a Muslim source.

I can find you REAL POLLS that show Muslims were split, and they in fact voted for Bubba Clinton IN DROVES.

Bush supports Israel out of principle anyway.

54 posted on 10/04/2001 1:45:11 PM PDT by veronica
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To: Lent
Cal is a gem. Him and Joe Farah. Princes!
55 posted on 10/04/2001 1:46:27 PM PDT by veronica
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To: The Green Goblin
Where did you get the idea that I believed that the terrorists should be "coddled"? I certainly didn't express that view in my post. The terrorists should be swiftly and unmercifully annihilated along with any country which supports such acts. The fact reamins however, that the US has no business giving Israel aid of any sort.

How about the money we give Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Mexico, and all the other countries we support? Please....

56 posted on 10/04/2001 1:47:20 PM PDT by KLT
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To: KLT
Those guys shouldn't get dime one, either. Wean 'em all, across the board.
57 posted on 10/04/2001 1:52:24 PM PDT by patlaw_guy
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To: LiveFree2000
They say it all Thank you LiveFree, if anyone has any doubts the threads you linked tells it all!
58 posted on 10/04/2001 1:52:33 PM PDT by KLT
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To: belmont_mark
I like some of Bodansky's stuff. But rather than me waste energy on time consuming scavenging for info give me the condensed version of your point.
60 posted on 10/04/2001 1:55:41 PM PDT by Lent
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