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Census Wants to Keep Oregon Count Secret
KGW Northwest Newschannel 8 ^ | October 19, 2001, 07:15 AM | By AP Staff

Posted on 10/19/2001 7:52:35 AM PDT by Jolly Rodgers

Census Wants to Keep Oregon Count Secret

October 19, 2001, 07:15 AM
By AP Staff

The U.S. Census Bureau can't release its statistically adjusted count of Americans because the numbers would be too revealing, a Census Bureau lawyer said Thursday.

Responding to a lawsuit by two Oregon legislators, attorney Gregory Katsas told a federal judge that the adjusted counts give away the bureau's inside thinking on the accuracy of its population counts, and they make it too obvious to politicians around the country which communities win and which lose under the bureau's decision not to adjust for its undercount of renters and minorities.

Federal law requires government to be conducted in the open except in special circumstances, and U.S. District Judge James A. Retten said he had a hard time seeing how secrecy would be ruled permissible in this case.

Still, Retten said he wanted to hear more from both sides before he ruled.

The case was brought by two Oregon state senators, Susan Castillo, D-Eugene, and Margaret Carter, D-Portland. They filed a federal Freedom of Information Act request to see the Census Bureau's statistically adjusted population counts but were turned down.

Carter and Castillo want the numbers released so they can be considered in state and local funding decisions and used to scrutinize Census Bureau decisions.

Their lawyer, David O. Stewart, argued that a decision by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on adjusted 1990 Census counts meant the 2000 numbers must be made public. In the 1990 case, the California Legislature sought the adjusted counts, the Census Bureau fought to keep them secret, and the courts ordered the bureau to give them out.

But Katsas, lawyer for the Census Bureau, argued Thursday that the 2000 Census was different.

This time, he said, the bureau is more concerned about the adjusted 2000 numbers themselves, not the process by which they were generated.

U.S. Commerce Secretary Donald Evans has decided that adjusted population counts cannot be used to redraw political boundaries or award federal funds.

The adjusted counts --designed to improve the accuracy of Census 2000 by boosting the count of renters, minorities and other undercounted populations in some places while reducing the count of whites, college students and other overcounted people in other places -- are too flawed to be useful, Evans and Census Bureau statisticians say.

(Copyright 2001 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


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Gregory Katsas told a federal judge that the adjusted counts give away the bureau's inside thinking on the accuracy of its population counts...
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The adjusted counts --designed to improve the accuracy of Census 2000 by boosting the count of renters, minorities and other undercounted populations in some places while reducing the count of whites, college students and other overcounted people in other places -- are too flawed to be useful, Evans and Census Bureau statisticians say.

Oregon Democrats want the bogus numbers released so they can use the skewed results to further screw the real population.

1 posted on 10/19/2001 7:52:35 AM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: Jolly Rodgers
Sheesh, the media won't tell us how badly Gore beat Bush in Florida because it would undermine the president's "legitimacy." And the Census Bureau doesn't want to tell people what the census count is because they don't like what the numbers say.

Free press?

Open, accountable government?

In a pig's eye.

2 posted on 10/19/2001 8:05:28 AM PDT by Hidy
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To: Hidy
And the Census Bureau doesn't want to tell people what the census count is because they don't like what the numbers say.

They actually did give us the REAL census numbers. What they are refusing to do is give us the bogus, "politically manipulated," numbers. I have mixed thoughts on that. On the one hand, the Democrats will use them at the state level to advance a corrupt agenda. On the other hand, it would be a good opportunity to show just how fallacious the manipulation of the numbers really is.

3 posted on 10/19/2001 8:08:51 AM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: Hidy
Did you say that something is in your eye, Hidy?
4 posted on 10/19/2001 8:11:44 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: freedomcrusader; eFudd; pittsburgh gop guy; freeper12; rdb3; Inyokern
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5 posted on 10/19/2001 8:19:28 AM PDT by Jolly Rodgers
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To: Jolly Rodgers
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6 posted on 10/19/2001 9:44:08 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Hidy
Sheesh, the media won't tell us how badly Gore beat Bush in Florida because it would undermine the president's "legitimacy."

Actually, Bush beat Gore in Florida and was declared the winner by that state's Secretary of State in accordance with the law. Remember?

And the Census Bureau doesn't want to tell people what the census count is

Nonsense. The Census Bureau is or will release the census count. You know, the official one.

What they are trying not to release is not the census count at all but a bunch of made-up numbers which have been fudged and massaged by statisticians.

Of course, you're the one who posts something then never comes back to defend your statement, aren't you?

7 posted on 10/19/2001 9:48:52 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Hidy
Bush has won about 8 recounts. Back in March several media sources released their finding of their own recounts. Bush won those as well. How many recounts will it take for you people to acknowledge Bush won Florida?
8 posted on 10/19/2001 10:17:27 AM PDT by GuillermoX
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