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Attack praised Conversation of three Saudi students about Sept. 11 events overheard in libra
Daily Aztec (SDSU Paper) | 10/17/01 | Jason Williams

Posted on 10/19/2001 8:22:59 AM PDT by LavaDog

On Saturday, Sept. 22, Zewdalem Kebede, a political science senior and native Ethiopian, was studying in the Reserve Book Room in Love Library. Nearby, a group of Saudi Arabian students sat talking in Arabic -- a language Kebede speaks fluently, having learned it in his native country.

He was attracted to their conversation when the topic shifted to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "They started talking about the Sept. 11 action," he said. "And with that action they were very pleased. They were happy. And they were regretting of missing the 'Big House.' "It was a long chitchat."

Kebede tried to continue studying, attempting to ignore the students, but finally he approached their table and spoke to them. "Guys, what you are talking is unfair. How do you feel happy when those 5 to 6,000 people are buried in two or three buildings?" Kebede said. "They are under the rubble or they became ash. "And you are talking about the action of bin Laden and his group. You are proud of them. You should have to feel shame."

Kebede spoke to the students in Arabic so as not to disturb others studying in the library. "I didn't want to spread it," he said. "I didn't want the rest of students to hear it."

Another Saudi student approached from a nearby table and spoke to Kebede in English, asking if he had a problem with the other students speaking in Arabic. A heated exchange took place.

Kebede told him there was no problem, and the man asked if Kebede was going to threaten them, to which he replied he was not and returned to his table. After about 30 minutes, two university police officers approached Kebede and asked to speak with him. Kebede related his story of what had occurred.

The officers informed Kebede that he should have reported the incident to them rather than get involved. "I thought to report it to the police, in order that they follow it and so on, but they would hear my words only, so it is useless," Kebede said. "It was upsetting. Very upsetting."

University Police said both parties involved in the disturbance were cautioned and statements were taken from one of the Saudi Arabian men and Kebede.

Because the Saudi students are listed as victims in the report and the case is non-criminal, their names cannot be released.

The police report states that University Police responded to a disturbance involving Arab students, that Kebede was contacted and that he understood Arabic. No specific mention was made in the report regarding what Kebede heard the Saudi students saying.

University Police Crime Prevention Specialist Marc Fox said that it basically boils down to "a free speech issue." "It's horrific, yet legal," Fox said.

All agencies are operating at a "heightened state" since the Sept. 11 attacks, Fox said, and a background investigation is conducted in any instances resembling a threat to see if a statement was "more than just rhetoric."

Fox said the university routinely networks with off-campus law enforcement, and that this case was passed on to "other agencies," though he could not identify them specifically. "This case was looked at further," Fox said. "It was not dropped. Let's put it that way."

The case is no longer active with University Police. On Sept. 27, The Daily Aztec printed a crime brief detailing the verbal harassment of four Saudi Arabian men in the Love Library Reserve Book Room. In the brief, Kebede was described as a "foreign national" who accused the men of being connected to the Sept. 11 attacks.

Shortly before the publication of this brief, Kebede related his experience in the library to his History 514 class during a discussion about the terrorist attacks. Students from the class contacted The Daily Aztec about the inconsistency.

Kebede received a letter from the university's Center for Student Rights, dated Sept. 25, requesting that he set up a meeting to discuss his conduct in the Reserve Book Room. The letter stated that he had allegedly been "verbally abusive to other students" and that he had three days to respond or else face possible sanctions. The letter also stated that "any student of a campus may be expelled, suspended, placed on probation or given a lesser sanction for: Abusive behavior directed toward, or hazing of, a member of the campus community."

Kebede said he met with University Judicial Officer Antionette Jones on Oct. 3. "What she had heard previously and what I said to her when I went to give my statement according to the summons is different. She told me what the police officer reported. It was not proper or accurate what she had heard," Kebede said.

Cases handled by the Center for Student Rights are considered private and not made available to the public. "What have I done to these Arab guys? I have done nothing," Kebede said. "How can they be happy when innocent people just perished? Vanished by the cruel actions of their own brothers.

"It's sad, that's what I told them. Of this am I going to be charged and penalized with a warning or a probation or expelling from school? No, damn. No one would do that. "I haven't committed any wrong."

In numerous addresses, President George W. Bush has made clear that the war on terrorism is not a war on the Muslim people nor the Islamic faith, stating that Americans should be tolerant and not treat Muslims different than any other American. Across the nation there have been episodes of hate, some deadly.

University President Stephen Weber entreated students not to give in to and propagate a backlash against international students on campus in an address at the Sept. 13 memorial for those lost in the attacks. Muslim Student Association President Omar Behnawa has been watching for the backlash on campus, and has yet to see any episodes of hate or anti-U.S. sentiment.

"I have no reason to doubt that it happened," Behnawa said about Kebede's experience. "I'm saying that it's a very sick thing. But I could possibly see that happening."

A decision on the case has since been made, and Kebede will face no penalties at this time, though he was warned in a letter received Oct. 9 that future involvement in "confronting members of the campus community in a manner that is found to be aggressive or abusive" will result in severe disciplinary sanctions. The letter also stated: "You are admonished to conduct yourself as a responsible member of the campus community in the future."

"I'm naturalized American. I have taken an oath to live to protect this country, so that is my part to do -- for that I am happy," Kebede said. "I am an honest citizen for this country. I showed those guys that there are people who love America, who defend America. That's what I showed. "Is that a crime?"


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You've got to love the American Higher Education System. Reprimand the Patriotic American observing his 1st Amendment Rights and classify the anti-americans as "Victims".
1 posted on 10/19/2001 8:22:59 AM PDT by LavaDog
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To: LavaDog
can't people be deported for this kind of thing?

If it is not a law, it should be...

2 posted on 10/19/2001 8:27:35 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: LavaDog
Already posted here and here.
3 posted on 10/19/2001 8:27:49 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: LavaDog
I have been in the University business for a long time. I have been screaming on FR ever since I started posting that the majority of the foreign students here from Red China and the Middle East are actively subversive and taking us for a ride while ( via the corrupt University ivory tower system) keeping our kids out of the same educational spots the foreigners are taking. I have been flamed repeatedly for this statement on FR by 1. people who have never been affiliated professionally with a university and 2. the university people who like their personal rice bowl.
4 posted on 10/19/2001 8:31:37 AM PDT by chemainus
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To: LavaDog
An "Onion moment:"

If by some chance, the plane which went down in Pennsylvania, had been the first to take off, and had (instead of crashing) managed to land ... and if the other terrorists had heard about it via CNN at the other airports, and consequently they abandoned their plan for the day ... I would bet you, this would be the scenario:

Hillary would be claiming that the people on board the "PA flight," the subduers, had committed a "hate crime" by stereotyping the subdued, "defendants" ( ... and Johnny Cochrane would be their attorney).

Then, in contrast to the current "world," the [not - terrorists, but] "alleged hi-jackers" would probably get off, as the "liberal media" would engineer a several - months - long national self-recrimination [yet again] about how "it's [American] society's fault."

AND ... most of the noise about how "meanspirited," "insensitive," "bigoted" were the subduers ... would be out - raged by The New York Times.

Betcha.



5 posted on 10/19/2001 8:41:13 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: chemainus
The thing that is so disturbing about this is that for nearly a decade the various San Diego campuses and the city's mosque have been home for the nastiest of Muslim fundamentalists to be found this side of Detroit.
6 posted on 10/19/2001 8:42:46 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: TomServo
>>Already posted here and here.<<

There is something maddening about you forum police."

I never could stand dorks like that in high school.

Get a life.

7 posted on 10/19/2001 8:50:16 AM PDT by SerpentDove
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To: chemainus
I am in a University town. I was talking to the lady who cut my hair the other day and she told me a good number of foreigners tell her that they don't really like the U.S. and are just getting their degrees and heading home.
8 posted on 10/19/2001 8:51:07 AM PDT by cactmh
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To: First_Salute
Funny, believable, and twisted
9 posted on 10/19/2001 8:56:40 AM PDT by Moridin
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To: Travis McGee
R'8
10 posted on 10/19/2001 9:05:22 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: SerpentDove
There is something maddening about you forum police.

And there is something maddening about folks like you who cannot grasp the concept of "rules", so I guess we're even.

I never could stand dorks like that in high school.

Tough...deal with it.

11 posted on 10/19/2001 9:16:18 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: SerpentDove; TomServo
SerpentDove, I disagree. It's useful. The person who pointed this out (TomServo) didn't say anything nasty, he simply stated where the previous postings were found. That way -- if you're interested in this thread -- which apparently you WERE since you clicked on it in the first place, you can continue reading what other people thought about this article. So, I say, thanks TomServo! (and thanks to others who have performed this service on other threads).
12 posted on 10/19/2001 9:21:17 AM PDT by Amore
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To: Amore
You're Welcome..:-)
13 posted on 10/19/2001 9:24:00 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: TomServo; SerpentDove; LavaDog
Tom, thanks for posting the link to the original thread.

SerpentDove, something you fail to grasp is that on the original thread much "work" was done, including putting up many links to the SDSU president's office and email, links to the "Muslim Student Association's" pro-terrorist website, including a pre-9-11 photo of the World Trade Center taken on their "field trip" (recon trip?) to New York last spring, and many other fascinating things which the reader of this new thread would miss.

Have a nice day.

14 posted on 10/19/2001 9:28:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: cactmh
she told me a good number of foreigners tell her that they don't really like the U.S. and are just getting their degrees and heading home.

But the USA is good enough to get educated here, huh.

15 posted on 10/19/2001 9:49:45 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
If they promise to head home, that's a good start.
16 posted on 10/19/2001 10:46:28 AM PDT by tell me
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
*&***&&&*&*&*&&^^%%^%^%&^&^ ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm so mad is this the way you curse on the computer....................
17 posted on 10/19/2001 10:56:06 AM PDT by angcat
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