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Gold beckons the nervous
London Telegraph ^

Posted on 10/21/2001 4:33:38 PM PDT by robnoel

THESE are certainly interesting times in investment markets and all sorts of bizarre assets are suddenly being taken seriously by the clever money managers.

The classic "barbarous relic" is gold, perhaps the original store of wealth. While it returned an annual average of almost 20 per cent from 1968 to 1979 - ahead of virtually every other form of real or paper asset - it has savagely underperformed shares and property since then. But every dog has its day . . .

Gold has always been seen as a safe haven in dangerous circumstances. Many Americans believe the Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse are about to ride into Manhattan, and are feeling scared and financially battered. They are retreating to hard commodities such as gold that they see as offering security.

They have suffered a $4,000bn reduction in the value of their portfolios; many are experiencing a bear market for the first time. They are frightened that there will be a full depression. The present psychology of buying gold is about preservation of capital, hedging and playing the contrary game.

One of its great disadvantages is that it generates no income. But in the current low interest rate climate, the yield on cash, bonds and the like is almost negative once inflation is taken into account. So by buying gold now you are missing very little on the dividend front.

It is all about the capital gain - or loss. At least gold is highly liquid, with minimal commission charges, unlike most other alternative asset classes like property and venture capital.

Moreover, experts purport that gold is negatively correlated with other assets - it rises when they fall, and visa versa. If you buy this argument, then the current decline in stock prices is a major gold-buying signal.

There are various ways to play the gold market. One can simply buy hallmarked gold bars at about $280 an ounce, or bullion coins such as Krugerrands at a small premium, or gold futures or options.

It is important to check the custodial arrangements for the physical metal and the credibility of the financial institution that helps you; instead of them storing it you can always take delivery - but you had better get insurance! You can even invest in numismatic coins, but these sell for a substantial premium to the value of their gold content.

Alternatively you can invest in gold mining shares. Gold mining equities offer greater leverage than holding the metal directly, but also added forms of risk. These types of shares can be highly volatile and difficult to value on fundamentals.

They are mostly quoted on the Australian, South African, Canadian and American stock exchanges. Do take care and remember that dubious promoters, speculators and charlatans often manipulate small mining stocks.

The world's quoted gold mining shares have a total market capitalisation of $30bn-plus, so there is plenty to choose from. If you want a conservative investment, pick a solid multinational like Anglo American, Barrick Gold or Newmont Mining.

The price of gold is determined by a host of factors - mostly macroeconomic. Central banks hold about a quarter of the world's gold and carry out selling and lending activities - often fairly secretly.

Annual world production is about 2,350 tonnes, while consumption varies, but is about 75 per cent for jewellery, and the rest for the electronics industry and dentistry. Consumption easily outstrips supply. Yet simple supply and demand from users and producers is only one element of the metal's overall price dynamics.

In the early 1980s, the era of high inflation, gold peaked at $850 an ounce - in the past 20 years it has fallen to a third of that level, partly thanks to improvements in technology cutting the cost of new production. This woeful investment performance encourages the diehard gold bugs to believe that gold is incredibly cheap and due for revaluation.

They feel the panic over war and recession will increase investment demand. The gold bulls say gold rises when the dollar falls - and many commentators believe the dollar to be overvalued.

They like the shelter and stability gold offers, and its retained purchasing value. They cite the example of how an ounce of gold would buy a suit today - just as it did in Henry VII's day.


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1 posted on 10/21/2001 4:33:38 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: robnoel
Put your money in the U.S. Stock Market.

Investing in gold,as a pure play, is throwing your money down a rat hole.

2 posted on 10/21/2001 4:44:40 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
If you bought $1000 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49. $1,000 worth of Broadvision is now worth $22. $1,000 worth of JDSU is now worth $52. $1,000 worth of Merrill's B2B Holders is now worth $52. And the list goes on, and on, and on. Now consider this... if you bought $1000.00 worth of Gold Eagles a year ago,it would now be worth $1050.00�
3 posted on 10/21/2001 4:47:39 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: mdittmar
Put your money in the U.S. Stock Market. Investing in gold,as a pure play, is throwing your money down a rat hole.
I think that may be an oversimplification. I say, "Sell what's about to go down; buy what's about to go up". Last year, stocks were at record highs (seems like a sell signal to me); conversely, last year, gold was at or near record lows and the triggers for a move upward were in place (i.e., uncertainty about the certainty of major trouble over the middle east, the "trying" of a new president by the evildoers, etc) -- seems like a buy signal. I did both, and was right. Did you read the figure? Four TRILLION in paper losses in the recent slide? I know it is the "House Position" to go on record recommending everyone "stay the course"; but when the course includes Niagara Falls, that advice is irresponsibly destructive. I say play the moves before they come. The only course I'm gonna stay is what my knowledge of circumstances tells me is most prudent at the time. I have no loyalty whatsoever to the stock market -- only to my bottom line. I've heard way too much "stay the course" from the shills at the brokerage houses (all the while the House and management have been divesting themselves).
4 posted on 10/21/2001 4:58:09 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: mdittmar
BTW, when the DOW reaches 6500, I'll jump back on its bandwagon; so it has some major "DOWn" left in it, IMHO.
5 posted on 10/21/2001 5:01:17 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: robnoel
Gold is a "bizarre asset"? I have to chuckle. Perhaps putting your money in a stock market that has the highest P/E's in history is bizarre. Assets go up, assets go down. The trick is to find the hot one and ride it. The fun thing about gold is the booms and crashes. While one must be careful about "buy and hold" investing in gold, speculating can be a lucrative matter.

When gold starts to run, it usually runs pretty far before crashing again. A great way to play it is gold stocks. Catch it right and returns can be 10 to 1. Just hide and wait til the time is right.

6 posted on 10/21/2001 5:06:06 PM PDT by mrgolden
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To: robnoel
... if you bought $1000.00 worth of Gold Eagles a year ago,it would now be worth $1050.00�

And if you put a $1000 in a CD a year ago at 5% you would have $1050 with zero risk.

I'm up 19% in the market since Sept. 19. Guess it depends on what and when you buy.

8 posted on 10/21/2001 5:11:32 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: JoeEveryman
Hmmmn, if I remember correctly, its:

stocks: buy on bad news, sell on good news
Gold and silver: buy on good news, sell on bad news

Or something like that.

9 posted on 10/21/2001 5:12:58 PM PDT by meyer
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To: robnoel
If you bought $1000 worth of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49.
If you bought $1000 worth of Budweiser (the beer, not the stock) one year ago, drank all the beer, and traded in the cans for the nickel deposit, you would have $79. My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
10 posted on 10/21/2001 5:13:17 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: mdittmar
"Put your money in the U.S. Stock Market."

With P/E's at least 2X what they should be...and going up...you must be nuts!!!! Not to mention that a reasonable valuation of the DOW would be 5000. The only folks putting their money in this stock market are suckers.

11 posted on 10/21/2001 5:22:56 PM PDT by hove
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To: robnoel
Gold is nothing to build a growth portfolio around, but it makes good Civilization Insurance.

Consider the following scenario:

The terrorists have suitcase nukes in American cities. They blow one up in New York City. Everyone in every city in America panics, and evacuates to the countryside. After a few days, they realize they're being silly. So the file back to the cities.

Then another bomb goes off, in another city -- say, LA.

Everyone in every American city evacuates again. This time a whole month goes by before people begin to feel silly once more. And then the government assures us all is well. So we return to the cities.

Then Washington DC is blown off the map.

And we start to realize that our cities can never be safely inhabited again . . . and American civilization collapses.

Now, if you have to evacaute to the countryside with only what you can carry, which of the following will serve as a good medium of exchange to purchase food for your family from heavily armed farmers in the Post-Apocalypse Era:

1. Easily counterfeited paper currency of a federal government that no longer exists.

2. Credit cards of a banking system whose electronic records were wiped out when Wall Street became Ground Zero.

3. Gold coins.

-- But let's laugh that one off, folks. Terrorists having nukes? That's as silly as terrorists collapsing skyscrapers by crashing airplanes into them!

12 posted on 10/21/2001 5:29:33 PM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: hove
You try to call the bottom you lose,up 19% since 9/19.

Took some profits and I'm looking for more oppourtunities.

13 posted on 10/21/2001 5:30:25 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Cagey
Not only very funny, damn near the frightful truth.
15 posted on 10/21/2001 5:37:31 PM PDT by golder
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To: 537 Votes
3. Gold coins.

The problem with gold coins is that one must have the wherewithal to protect and defend them. Once it becomes known that you are in possession gold coins, you will become prey to those who do not have gold coins. My suggestion is buy guns, ammo and hand tools, this will become the store of wealth in a shit-hits-the-fan scenario.

16 posted on 10/21/2001 5:42:17 PM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: one_particular_harbour
My rifles trump your gold coins, every time. I've even targeted local neighborhoods for looting when all hell breaks loose.

Yes, lead and brass along with the means to propel said lead is probably the ultimate currency in extreme conditions. But gold ain't bad. Its pretty, doggone it. And it will spend when you are out in the sticks dealing with honest folks in the red zones.

I must admit though, I'm glad I don't live in one of those liberal neighborhoods. :^)

17 posted on 10/21/2001 6:08:33 PM PDT by meyer
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To: JoeEveryman
Before you got here I must of posted at least another dozen.....as for pushing gold....I did not see my toll free number posted anywhere....yes I post articles that I have an interest in...I thought that was the aim of a debate page....post the subject and see the results of others input....I have put you in my...don't bother to call file....:-)...chill brother!....we are only talking about 5-10% of ones dollars...not selling the farm and all other assets...insurance against the unknown nothing more....are you 100% certain that we will not face a nasty unknown over the next two years?
18 posted on 10/21/2001 6:20:50 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: Cagey
Mine made it sound better.....besides I did not get the beer thing....after drinking a thousand dollars worth of Bud.....who could remember to crush the cans
19 posted on 10/21/2001 6:25:23 PM PDT by robnoel
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To: JoeEveryman
I find the gold threads interesting, whether Robby posts them or someone else. My question is why do you read them if they don't interest you? When I see a thread that doesn't interest me, I don't read it! I don't get on it and complain about it.
20 posted on 10/22/2001 8:22:16 AM PDT by Justanumba
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