Posted on 10/23/2001 8:39:39 AM PDT by spycatcher
Pre-Islamic Arabia's religion was one of superstition. Belief in jinns (genies), curse casting, magic stones, totems was the norm - and it was against this background that Allah arose. Although the Quran is claimed to be a heavenly writing with no earthly source, evidence of these very sorts of cultural influence is found in such places as Suras 55, 72, 113 and 114.
Animism, the belief that spirits inhabit rocks, trees and other elements was also very commonplace. Some of these stones were venerated and used as a focal point for the worship of a particular tribal god. No surprise, Muhammad's family had just such a stone for their own tribe - a black stone, in fact, that they kept at the Kabah (where the tribal idols were set up). The pagan rites of bowing toward Mecca, making a pilgrimage to the Kabah, running around it seven times, kissing it, then running to the river to throw stones at the devil all found there way into Islamic practice.
The final piece of the puzzle was in found in the religion of the Sabeans, an astral religion that worshipped the moon god and planned their religious rites around the lunar calendar. One such rite was fasting from crescent moon to crescent moon, a practice which would also be adopted by Muhammad.
If these things were not present before Muhammad received them from Allah (who himself is the moon god of Muhammad's tribe), why did Muhammad not have to explain what those words meant in the Quran? How would people have known who Allah was? ( or: what a jinn was? what the Kabah was? what the word Islam meant? etc.). Even the word "Islam" which many believe to mean "submission" was not an original word. In Arabic it was a secular term that denoted the strength and bravery of a desert warrior (a definition that accurately reflects the war-like tribes that founded Islam with bloodshed).
The Moon God
"Allah" is from the compound Arabic word "al-ilah" or in english "the god". Allah was known before Muhammad's time without a doubt. His name has been found in pre-islamic writings and other archeological finds. At the Kabah in Mecca over 350 gods were worshipped, but it was built especially for the chief deity - the moon god. Allah was the personal title of the moon god. Allah was married to the sun goddess. They produced three daughters, whose worship Muhammad would later make the mistake of condoning. The crescent moon symbol of Arabia came from this god.
Muhammad's family revered this particular god, and it is this idol that Muhammad declared to be the only true god. So, Allah - far from being the revealed God of the Bible as Muhammad would have us believe - is nothing more than an amplified pagan idol. Muhammad did not re-make the pagan god, he simply removed the lower deities from the rites of worship. That is why he never had to explain who Allah was. By definition, an idol converted in the 7th century into a new god cannot be the sama God revealed thousands of years earlier to Biblical prophets!
No it's not OK. In the case of the Temple it was God's house that was invaded by scoundrels. It was the scoundrels that perpetrated the rights violation. Jesus said they had turned His house into a den of thieves. It was a proper display of anger and use of force. God is not a pacifist and He did not teach pacifism.
I'm not a scholar, I'm a "discusser" but I believe Jesus' life was partially a "type". In other words, a lot of his actions were set to give parables to this time. The whipping of the moneychangers was a preview of what he's going to do in the second coming, and there's going to be no doubt to anyone who's boss!
When you are not sure that the house you are living in is not made of glass its best to not throw rocks about the place.
Cheers Tony
btw, i was raised southern baptist, but i got over it.
been in 'recovery' for nigh on thirty years now...
sure is a whole lotta dancin' goin' on in here !
J
gotta scoot - life beckons...
In any event, I'm curious as to what future gods will have spawned from Lucky's cereal bowl, yellow moons, red hearts, green clovers, and new blue diamonds! Some cult in California will surely worhip at the alter of the polychromatic horse shoe.
I never heard of it. It must be what you atheists talk about around the campfire.
For those who are unfamiliar with this twisted, perverted interpretation of Christian scriptures, Identity maintains: -- Adam was a White Man; the non-white races are the "beasts of the field," sub-human and without souls.
Nope. Genesis clearly states that the races were created on the sixth "day" and that God saw that it was "very good". God sent the husbandman through the family of Adam to save all if it would be possible.
-- Satan seduced Eve in the garden of Eden. That union produced Cain,...
Right.
...who mated with the "beasts of the field" and these offspring became the Jews, who are literally the spawn of Satan.
Nope. The Kennites (sons of Cain) are mostly caucasion since Eve was caucasion plus the Kennites are among the children of Israel, the Jews being only 1 of 11 to 13 tribes, however you want to count them. The Jews are of the seed of Abraham, therefore receiving the promise God made to Abraham.
-- That White Europeans are the true Israelites.
Some White Europeans are. Most British and Most Americans are. Manasseh and Ephraim received the name Israel as told in Genesis. Ephraim (a company of nations-the U.K.) and Manasseh (a great nation-the U.S.). The other tribes are just the other tribes and are in pockets in northwestern Europe with Judah in the middle East. The current nation of Israel in the Middle East should have been named Judah - that's who they are, and they are our brother.
-- The crucifixion was an elaborate consiracy concocted by Satan and carried out by his spawn, the Jews.
Nope. Carried out by the Kennites.
-- That Armageddon will be the final race war between "Racial Israel" and the Jews and non-white races.
Nope. The Jews are our brother. I don't know who will gather up to fight the U.S., the U.K., and Judah in the battles of Hamongog and Armageddon. Probably the Assyrians (Germany and her satellites-the European union), or maybe a U.N. force (the entire world).
Identity themes have been adopted by both neo-nazi and klukker groups.
Well, they're wrong about Judah.
You're on shaky territory as a Libertarian. If it's OK to initiate force to "protect" your own then it's OK to initiate force against those scoundrels that would sell drugs to kids or facilitate that activity.
I don't believe that. That doesn't make sense. It looks to me the bride describing the Messiah. Besides, even if it is about Solomon, it's further proof that the family of Adam was ruddy complected up through at least Solomon.
Reading the whole think is almost pornographic at times, especially versions like the Revised Standard which substitutes 'lover' for 'beloved'.
What you call "pornographic" others would call a healthy appreciation for the opposite sex. We as humans transfer our spiritual love and appreciation of a member of the opposite sex into sexual expression to show it to that someone. God uses our understanding of this to relate how he feels about his people (those who believe in him and revere him).
Taken as a whole, since Song of Solomon 5:4 says "My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him", one would think that Solomon or Jesus or whomever was also a laxitive.
You're goofy. Take that back to the original language and it's clear that it's speaking of the feelings you get in your stomach when you're really excited about something-like butterflies in the stomach.
Ping! That's EXACTLY what I was thinking also. You could also lump in some of the pseudographica & apocraphal writings as well.
It's just a post for discussion, no need to get so freaked out. Your posts about Christianity don't bother me, so who's the insecure, frightened one? And the Scopes Monkey trial????? LOL! You sound Like Osama bin Laden and his obsession about Andalusia!!
Unfortunately, without any substance to your posts you only expose yourself in your own description as a paranoid delusional. Better to say less and let others wonder. Hopefully somebody can help you work through the layers of spiritual bitterness that seem to consume your soul. Or better yet just repent. Luckily the Christian God you curse is so amazingly loving that, unlike all imitators, he can forgive you like he did Paul on the Road to Damascus. Hopefully you don't continue to spiral to the point of no return.
I'm not being PC enough for you huh? Sorry but God saw the races on the sixth day and saw that it was very good. But he needed a husbandman and only one family can do it and it happened to be Adam's. I don't know what to tell ya, I guess He could've instituted affirmative action and had all the races gather together to have an orgy so that Adam would've been the descendant of every nuance of every race.
Easy. The Hebrew word for Adam in the original Hebrew manuscripts in the Strong's concordance:
0119 'adam {aw-dam'}
of unknown derivation; TWOT - 26b; v
AV - dyed red 5, red 4 ruddy 1; 10
1) to be red, red
1a) (Qal) ruddy (of Nazarites)
1b) (Pual)
1b1) to be rubbed red
1b2) dyed red
1b3) reddened
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to cause to show red
1c2) to glare
1c3) to emit (show) redness
1d) (Hithpael)
1d1) to redden
1d2) to grow red
1d3) to look red
If Jesus posted on this board and said "Beware of the leaven (law) of the established church and of the government" (which he was essentially saying in Mark 8:15 and Matthew 16:6), he'd be a tinfoil hatter.
Conservatives say the same thing. It's when the tinfoilers say that Bush is the AntiChrist is when the tinfoil accusations go flying.
God's blessings upon you in these troubled days.
Can't complain.
Muhammed and Jesus - fellow White Guys!!!
The employment of force in defense of rights, is NOT an initiation of force.
The violator of rights initiated the force.
Maybe Muhammed was white, how the hell should I know and what does it matter?
So it's OK to initiate force against those that would facilitate the supply of drugs to my children (if I had some) since they will lose their rights after they get enslaved to them?
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