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Rock Bridge accommodates Muslim students: "It sounds like we set up a mosque in our (public) school"
Columbia, Missouri Daily Tribune ^ | Thursday, October 25, 2001 | CORY de VERA

Posted on 10/25/2001 12:41:04 PM PDT by rface


Muslim students at Rock Bridge High School (Columbia, Missouri area)
removed a hand-lettered sign identifying
a room as the "Muslim Student Prayer Room"
after a school employee contacted the Tribune questioning the
constitutionality of setting up what looked like a mosque.

According to the employee, who asked not to be named, inside the room there was also a sign asking visitors to "remove shoes when entering the mosque."

"The sign is not a good idea," Principal Bruce Brotzman said Tuesday. "It sounds like we set up a mosque in our school or" if it were "for Christians, a sanctuary. We are not going to do that. But to make space available to accommodate kids, that is something ... we want to do."

Practicing Muslims pray five times a day during specified windows of time. At least one of those times falls during the school day. Brotzman said that each year, students look for space for the daytime prayer. This year he offered them a small basement room after an elementary school’s gifted-education program moved out. The room has no window and is not identified with a room number.

"The most important thing is to find a place that is clean and quiet," said senior Rehab El-Buri. Last year students used the Performing Arts Center but would periodically find it occupied by a class or locked. She estimated about 30 students use the room from time to time, though on days when they have cars they might drive to the mosque downtown instead.

Rehab said Muslim students weren’t upset to see the signs go down. They were posted by a student whose family immigrated here two months ago and who is suffering from culture shock, she said.

"I know they didn’t open this room just for Muslim students. We may have the greatest need, but this is by no means a mosque," Rehab said. "I think the room should be open to Christians or Buddhists who want to pray."

Steve Benen, spokesman for the Washington-based group Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said the question of how far schools must go to accommodate daytime prayer by students has not been settled legally.

"The policy most schools take is one of accommodation, which seems to work for everyone involved," he said. "The caveat is that it must not be disruptive. … Rooms being set aside for exclusively religious use, that would be legally problematic."

Earlier this year, Americans United wrote letters of opposition to a Kentucky high school that allowed an outside person to renovate a classroom into a chapel, complete with pews carved with crosses, a pulpit and a copy of the Lord’s Prayer posted. The school set up the room for students who wanted to come voluntarily.

After communication with Americans United, the Kentucky school converted its chapel into a different school use.

Brotzman said Assistant Principal Kathy Ritter has explained to Muslim students that the room is not exclusively "theirs."

Brotzman said Christian students haven’t asked to use a school room during the day, though requests to use space before and after school aren’t uncommon. A flier posted on school bulletin boards advertised a meeting yesterday of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes in the school commons. The meeting was to include songs and worship.

Rehab said her years at Rock Bridge have been the best of her life in terms of helping her feel comfortable expressing who she is. In middle school, she was "too much of a conformist" to break away to pray during the day. In junior high she gained confidence, but administrators didn’t help students find a room to use.

"When new Muslim families come to Columbia, I always recommend their kids go to Rock Bridge because they have been so overwhelmingly cooperative with us and so understanding," she said.


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I think this smacks all those Christians in the face who have been trying to find a way to pray as Christians in public school.

Ashland, Missouri

1 posted on 10/25/2001 12:41:07 PM PDT by rface
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To: StoneColdGOP; dubyaismypresident; rockchalkjayhawk; Texaggie79; sirgawain; LisaAnne...
BUMP!
2 posted on 10/25/2001 12:47:33 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: Cool Guy
Rehab said Muslim students weren’t upset to see the signs go down. They were posted by a student whose family immigrated here two months ago and who is suffering from culture shock, she said.

Poor babies, they have culture shock so we need to adapt to THEIR culture.

3 posted on 10/25/2001 12:52:57 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: rface
man. i grew up in columbia, and the place has now gone straight to hell in a handbasket -- there seems little there now but "peace" loons, armed robbers, and, apparently, a mosque.

dep

4 posted on 10/25/2001 12:55:22 PM PDT by dep
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To: rface
Practicing Muslims pray five times a day during specified windows of time. At least one of those times falls during the school day

Excuse me, but if there is not a special room for Christians to go pray then this room must be shut down.

5 posted on 10/25/2001 12:55:44 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Cool Guy
But to make space available to accommodate kids, that is something ... we want to do."

Let them stand out front of the school at the flag pole like the Christians have to do.

6 posted on 10/25/2001 12:56:20 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: LibertarianLiz; Amelia
Damn straight!
7 posted on 10/25/2001 12:56:51 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: rface
As a quick (and perhaps not well thought-through) solution:

How about a bus ride to an alternate (off-the-school-grounds) site? Parochial school kids are allowed to use buses for transportation between the public and parochial schools. That solution has been approved already.

8 posted on 10/25/2001 12:57:01 PM PDT by syriacus
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Our love for religious may be the very thing that will bring us down. We allow the evil ones to set up shop to destroy us and call that a "religion". The USA has not gotten the message yet. Islam is out to destroy us..

......HAMBURG, Germany (AP) - Some 200 worshippers listened raptly as the imam at al-Quds mosque delivered a fiery 45-minute sermon on the sins of the infidels and the arrogance of the West. ``God, we implore You to destroy the United States of America,'' shouted the imam in a sermon Friday. Not a soul flinched. The congregation recited in unison, ``Amen.''

9 posted on 10/25/2001 12:58:46 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: syriacus
i couldn't agree more. there are many fine places in the middle east for this sort of thing.

dep

10 posted on 10/25/2001 12:59:06 PM PDT by dep
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To: dep
from another article in Columbia's paper...

Columbia residents through last night had reported 112 robberies - 57 involving a firearm - this year. That’s far above last year’s total of 89 robberies. And the time of year that police refer to as the robbery season - from the onset of cold weather through the holidays - lies ahead.

Ashland, Missouri

11 posted on 10/25/2001 1:00:14 PM PDT by rface
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To: rface
What's next?? Manger scenes replaced with pictures of Mohammed ascending into heaven?
12 posted on 10/25/2001 1:00:22 PM PDT by Ymani Cricket
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To: rface
Why don't they call it 'The Terrorist Meeting Room'?
13 posted on 10/25/2001 1:00:24 PM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: rface
No flags, no prayers, no Pledge, no Proud to be American, but Muslims can pray in school! We are a nation of understanding and compassion. No wonder we are hated around the world!
14 posted on 10/25/2001 1:00:29 PM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas
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To: Howlin
I'm Shocked!!! BTTT
15 posted on 10/25/2001 1:02:10 PM PDT by javajim
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To: rface
Hate to beat a dead horse but with a title like this I couldn't resist:

All your mosques belong to us!

Someone set us up the mosque!

16 posted on 10/25/2001 1:02:31 PM PDT by Looking4Truth
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
This is so ridiculous.
17 posted on 10/25/2001 1:03:12 PM PDT by kassie
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To: Looking4Truth
I still screwed it up.

All your mosques belong to us!

All your mosques are belong to us.

18 posted on 10/25/2001 1:04:00 PM PDT by Looking4Truth
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To: rface
Prayer in public schools:
No Christians or Jews need apply
19 posted on 10/25/2001 1:04:26 PM PDT by JJ59
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To: rface
Didn't you know? The so called doctrine of "separation of church and state" only applies to Jews and Christians. How DARE you be so intolerant! (/sarcasm)
20 posted on 10/25/2001 1:06:22 PM PDT by wjcsux
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To: rface
I think this smacks all those Christians in the face who have been trying to find a way to pray as Christians in public school.

The word says that we will be hated, it is apparently becoming more 'in-our-faces' every day.

21 posted on 10/25/2001 1:06:40 PM PDT by Looking4Truth
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To: rface
this has the potential, btw, of being a huge story.

dep

22 posted on 10/25/2001 1:07:36 PM PDT by dep
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To: rface
This year he offered them a small basement room after an elementary school?s gifted-education program moved out.... "When new Muslim families come to Columbia, I always recommend their kids go to Rock Bridge because they have been so overwhelmingly cooperative with us and so understanding," she said.

Anyone else see a connection?

23 posted on 10/25/2001 1:09:12 PM PDT by Digital Chaos
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
The USA is sowing to the wind ,and we will be reaping the whirlwind. I am in shock to see the USA going down the tubes with so many ignorant people at the helm. Islam is not just another religion, and it is here to destroy us. It really makes me sick, for I have no other country to go to. My ancestors have fought and died for this nation to be free for generations. Islam stands for oppression and hatred of all who are not Muslims.

HAMBURG, Germany (AP) - Some 200 worshippers listened raptly as the imam at al-Quds mosque delivered a fiery 45-minute sermon on the sins of the infidels and the arrogance of the West. ``God, we implore You to destroy the United States of America,'' shouted the imam in a sermon Friday. Not a soul flinched. The congregation recited in unison, ``Amen.''

24 posted on 10/25/2001 1:10:21 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
They did the same thing last year at a school in New York, gave them the gym or auditorium, as I recall.
 
Did a search but couldn't find it, however it is here in the archives somewhere...

25 posted on 10/25/2001 1:10:39 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: dep
I don't know how old you are, but Columbia has had a large, real mosque right off campus since at least the late 80s. I knew quite a few Moslems when I attended college there and as a rule, all of them reviled the leaders of their countries for their authoritarianism. I don't think Columbia has gone down the tubes at all.
26 posted on 10/25/2001 1:12:26 PM PDT by motexva
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To: rface
Ya think?? How dare they talk about seperation of church and state and then pull this for aliens, and this is not the only school providing a place for muslims to pray.

Christians have tolerated themselves right out the door of their own country.

27 posted on 10/25/2001 1:12:32 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Cool Guy
Thanks, as always, for the ping, CG!
 
xo

28 posted on 10/25/2001 1:13:39 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
No flags, no prayers, no Pledge, no Proud to be American, but Muslims can pray in school! We are a nation of understanding and compassion. No wonder we are hated around the world!

Does anyone know if US high schools have the old-style United States version of ROTC?

I can see, from the article, that we have the non-US version.

29 posted on 10/25/2001 1:14:28 PM PDT by syriacus
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To: LibertarianLiz
If the Christians want a room I'm sure they would be given one, if you could demonstrate that praying at certain times of day is part of that religion. I didn't think it was. The constitutional law on this matter is fairly well established.
30 posted on 10/25/2001 1:14:28 PM PDT by motexva
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To: Cool Guy
Someone set up us the mosque!

Move 'ZIG'!

31 posted on 10/25/2001 1:14:29 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: motexva
i stopped living in columbia in 1976; before that i was program director of kfmz and a reporter for the tribune. i read the tribune nearly daily even now -- and before this story had concluded that the place had become a great place to put a lake.

dep

32 posted on 10/25/2001 1:16:41 PM PDT by dep
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To: tessalu
It was also at Hamburg University that Mohammed Atta requested the use of a room for prayer, and got it (after being initially refused). He then proceeded to use it as a lure for potential terrorists from among Muslim university students. His efforts paid off.
33 posted on 10/25/2001 1:18:13 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: dep
I thought prayer was not allowed in school!
34 posted on 10/25/2001 1:19:39 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: rface
So??? You CAN Pray in a Public School IF you are Muslim.....
(If You are a Christian or a Jew....
You get kicked out however.)

I Wonder just how long it took to come up with this brilliant little idea?
35 posted on 10/25/2001 1:21:59 PM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: rface
Where is the ACLU on this one?
36 posted on 10/25/2001 1:22:04 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: dep
The ACLU is still trying to overturn laws that allow a "moment of silence" in schools because a kid might pray during that moment. But the ACLU doesn't seem to care that a mosque is in a school.
37 posted on 10/25/2001 1:22:16 PM PDT by 07055
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To: dep
Well, it's infested with leftists, but if you think we should put a lake in any city or town that has a mosque in this country we'd have a lot of waterfront property available . . .
38 posted on 10/25/2001 1:22:41 PM PDT by motexva
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To: rface
CULTISTS WACKY RULE BOOK
39 posted on 10/25/2001 1:24:45 PM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: AnnaZ
Schools Harass Christians, Coddle Other Faiths
40 posted on 10/25/2001 1:25:26 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: 6ppc
The better question is where is the supreme court? While they have ruled that schoolrooms can be used for religious purposes, including prayer, after and before school as long as all student groups have this privilege extended to them, they haven't ruled on use of the room during school hours. They might well frown on it, but then again they may make an exception to accomadate them since the religion mandates that it's adherents pray at set times of the day.

My first thought is why not let them go outside to do it?

41 posted on 10/25/2001 1:25:32 PM PDT by motexva
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To: Cool Guy
same deal here in Indiana - unfriggingbelievable http://www.indystar.com/print/metrowest/thu/articles/westislam25.html
42 posted on 10/25/2001 1:26:46 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: AnnaZ
And MUSLIM KIDS GET TO PRAY IN SCHOOL FOR RAMADAN
43 posted on 10/25/2001 1:27:45 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: dep
I went to Mizzou and I loved that town.
44 posted on 10/25/2001 1:28:11 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: rface; dvan
Schools Harass Christians, Coddle Other Faiths

Source: FrontPageMagazine.com
Published: June 21, 2001
Author: Dr. David A. Yeagley
Posted on 06/24/2001 13:54:50 PDT by dvan

IN NEW YORK CITY, Muslims can pray in public schools. Christians can’t. Muslims can assemble in school auditoriums, during school hours, and pray. Christians cannot.

So says the New York Post, in a Dec.1, 2000 article titled, “Muslim Kids Get To Pray In School For Ramadan,” by Carl Campanile. This article didn’t make it far in the national news. I found it referenced in a rather obscure Christian newspaper out of Fort Worth, Texas, The Hour of Prophecy.

I thought, “Are these Texans the only people that care? How could this situation not make national headlines?” It marks one of the most dramatic inconsistencies of Constitutional interpretation in recent history.

At Lafayette High School, in Bensonhurst, in Brooklyn Technical & International in Queens, and in other Brooklyn schools, Muslim students are allowed to assemble and worship publicly in school auditoriums or makeshift prayer rooms during the regular school day.

At Lafayette, “The school lets us do our own prayer. It’s beautiful,” said Umit Kulug, a 17-year-old senior from Turkey, according to the Post. “They let one hundred of us boys and girls pray together in a big auditorium. Some of the non-Islamic students get a pass to watch us pray.” Kulig said teachers help students catch up on what they missed in class.

On the other hand, the Post notes, a Bensonhurst school mural dedicated to youths who had died was painted over just a few weeks before Ramadan, because it featured Jesus Christ.

Christmas songs heralding the name of Christ are not allowed in public schools. There cannot be Bible reading or Christian prayer, because this violates the separation of church and state. . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b36539a5777.htm


45 posted on 10/25/2001 1:29:03 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: motexva
There is a new Mosque right off the campus. Kinda close to the University Power plant. The muslim students (the ones who did not leave MIZZOU right after 9-11-01) are keeping a low profile. I am not posting any of this in order to smack Islam around....I have some suspicions, but I won't voice them too loudly yet.

Your comment (from Virginia):
I don't think Columbia has gone down the tubes at all....

It was only two years ago that Columbia was rated as one of the best small cities to live in. Things have changed 180 degrees since then. I left because it got so bad.

Ashland (South of Columbia), Missouri

47 posted on 10/25/2001 1:32:08 PM PDT by rface
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To: LarryLied
Again, their religion mandates they pray at certain times of the day. Christianity does not. The court has ruled in the past that schools and other public facilities can make reasonable accomodations so people can enjoy their first amendment rights. Christian student groups are free to use classrooms for prayer or anything else before or after school.
48 posted on 10/25/2001 1:32:36 PM PDT by motexva
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To: rface
Throw Americans out!!! The talibans want our country. Must educate all but Americans.
49 posted on 10/25/2001 1:36:13 PM PDT by mbb bill
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To: motexva
If the Christians want a room I'm sure they would be given one, if you could demonstrate that praying at certain times of day is part of that religion.

I don't understand why someone needs to demonstrate that they want to pray. Prayer is between God and the believer. Do you mean the believer should get a letter from her pastor? Or Look up a supporting phrase in the Bible, such as Jesus' directive to pray at all times? What kind of demonstration does one need, to get to pray?

What about devout Christians who do not belong to an established denomination, but feel (personally) God wants them to pray at various times throughout the day? Why aren't they allowed to follow their consciences, too, and retire to a quiet room to pray?

Should Christians who want a quiet room to pray in, really need to prove that a pastor, Bible, minister, bishop demands they pray?

If this is true...
This makes it sound like ONLY believers who have dictatorial leaders who tell them what to do with particular moments in their lives get to practice their religion. In other words, it looks like the religions that control their people's lives the most, also get to control the lives and spaces of the non-believers the most.What if the Imam decides to make up additional rules? Will the public schools have to obey his rules?

Seems unfair somehow, to discriminate against Christians who wish to pray. It makes it look a case of the pushier person going to the head of a line, instead getting in his place behind the others who have been waiting.

50 posted on 10/25/2001 1:36:16 PM PDT by syriacus
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