Posted on 11/03/2001 12:13:13 PM PST by pitt
-----Original Message----- From: Charles Hall [ mailto:pitbull@accesstoledo.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:13 PM To: dsharp@utnet.utoledo.edu Subject: Teach In The answer is simple: Your either with US or or With the Terrorists !!!! DON'T E-MAIL YOUR TERRORIST LOVING CRAP TO ME AGAIN. Charles Hall JBarlow@UTNet.UToledo.Edu wrote: Mr. Hall, I am responding to your email (below) to Diana Sharp, who is secretary of the Department of Women's and Gender Studies at the University of Toledo, as well as a UT student. As chair of the department and a university professor, I want to point out to you that your response is inappropriate and harassing. It is your right as a citizen of this country to hold whatever beliefs you want; however, it is not your right to impose those beliefs on anyone else. It is the right of every citizen in a country based on free-speech to articulate their beliefs, and, therefore, the right of every member of the UT community to examine and discuss not only the events of September 11, but also the events leading to that horrible day, as well as the subsequent responses of the United States. Our teach-in is primarily informational; it is an attempt to provide a forum for students in particular, but also for staff and faculty, to learn more about U.S. and global histories and cultures, to discuss their concerns, and to ask questions. Many people in the UT and Toledo communities are experts in these areas, and we have invited some of them to speak and address the concerns and questions. It is not necessary for me to respond to your rude and harassing email, but I have chosen to do so in the hope that you can learn that hate-speech is never appropriate and that there are policies and procedures in place at UT, which you have violated. I assume that you will respect both my effort to respond to you and the fact that it would be a very bad idea for you to email me in return or ever again email anyone in this department. You can be assured that your email will be addressed according to those policies and procedures, which, by the way, follow federal guidelines. I have copied my email to Ms. Sharp, to the asscociate dean of the Humanities, the dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, and to the President of the University of Toledo. Dr. Jamie Barlowe Chair, Dept. of Women's and Gender Studies University of Toledo Toledo, OH 43606 (419) 530-2233; FAX (419) 530-4411 jbarlow@utnet.utoledo.edu
your post would be a lot easier to follow if you were to have not just dumped it into one paragraph, as in:
My orginal e-mail was:
Subject: Teach In
The answer is simple: Your either with US or or With the Terrorists !!!!
of course, you don't ARGUE with those types because they only believe in their own free speech.
if that email went to all students, the kid has a right to ask them to desist, however inarticulate he is.
"Your [sic] either with US or With the Terrorists"? I am sure you realize there are many people, especially conservatives and libertarians of the sort that frequent Free Republic, who harbor both complete antipathy to the terrorists and a healthy skepticism and suspicion about our own government authorities and many of their policies, particularly interventionist foreign policies. The notion that someone is a traitor if unwilling to go along with the consensus American point of view is a dangerous one because it can be turned back against us.
oh, THAT won't make him look like a complete neanderthal, get him into more trouble, and comPLETELY screw him academically.
besides, she's divorced.
I would get a copy of your college computer center's Accepable Use Policy and have a lawyer go over it with a fine-tooth comb. She may well have not only had no right to spam the entire university, it may be cause for her to lose her Internet access privileges, if not her job. Her access privs are purely up to the computer center, by the way; the academic side has no say.
If nothing else, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if your school's AUP did not fully allow you to respond to an unsolicited email, provided your repsonse was not in any way threatening or sexually harassing, which your response was not.
I have sent it to the local media but no reply.
I wouldn't count on them. Someone may bite, but they may not. (Though it would be best to call the local media's newsrooms directly, don't just send email. I've worked in several newsrooms and know that most emails to the general "contact us" mailbox can sit there for weeks before anyone even notices them.) And I again suggest emailing people like O'Reilly and/or anybody at Newsmax or CNSnews.com. One of them probably will bite.
No, the chair of the department came in after the lowly secretary ratted on pitt to her for daring to respond to the lowly secretary's unwanted drivel.
he needs representation, however. someone a bit more slick with the rhetoric. they will railroad this guy if all of you start emailing her. they have a new president over there who hasn't been tested as far as student rights.
he needs someone who represents a cause bigger than himself, preferably someone who can spell correctly.
As long as times remain good too many people don't have enough to do and this sort of crap gets funded. Takes a good economic "flushing" from time to time to cleanse the landscape.
Chumps.
Yes, a clear case of "hate-speech." Anyone who would say such a thing is obviously filled with nothing but hate. It's the only possible explanation.
Wait, weren't those the words of our President, whose popularity is ten points above anything Clinton ever dreamed of?
Nevermind.
I am very concerned that you are engaging in unprofessional conduct through intimidation of a student.
You responded to a student email as follows: He said: "DON'T E-MAIL YOUR TERRORIST LOVING CRAP TO ME" ... As chair of the department and a university professor, I want to point out to you that your response is inappropriate and harassing. No, Dr Barlow, your response is inappropriate and harassing, not his. He simply made a demand to stop getting "spammed" email whose point he disagreed with vehemently and emotionally. You on other hand, after lecturing about free speech, contradicted yourself by indicating his viewpoint was not only not welcome, but his expression was action for University discipline. Apparently some 'free speech' is better than other 'free speech'.
It is your right as a citizen of this country to hold whatever beliefs you want; however, it is not your right to impose those beliefs on anyone else. ... It is not necessary for me to respond to your rude and harassing email, but I have chosen to do so in the hope that you can learn that hate-speech is never appropriate and that there are policies and procedures in place at UT, which you have violated.
Your email - not his - constitutes harrassment. You are the one who sees his viewpoint as not legitimiate and you desire to impose your viewpoint on him.
I assume that you will respect both my effort to respond to you and the fact that it would be a very bad idea for you to email me in return or ever again email anyone in this department. You can be assured that your email will be addressed according to those policies and procedures, which, by the way, follow federal guidelines. I have copied my email to Ms. Sharp, to the asscociate dean of the Humanities, the dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, and to the President of the University of Toledo.
Your email - not his - constitutes harrassment.
Hate speech is speech intended to defame others and intimidate them from exercising their own freedoms. By engaging the above threats, Dr Barlow, you have engaged in harrassment and, indeed, Hate Speech by your own definition. Will the University Deans have to convene in order to make it PERFECTLY CLEAR that that the occasional emotional email taht simply expresses a viewpoint one disagrees with should be ignored and that the unwarranted threats and intimidation that you engaged in constitute unprofessional behavior, as rude and far more damaging than the email you responded to?
Dr. Daniel M. Johnson, President of University of Toledo
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