Mortimer's wife (not Mortimer's) allegations of FECB reading a JN-25B message definitely showing a planned attack on Pearl Harbor have been bebunked as false "rememberances." FECB records in the Kew Public Office show only 3,000 JN-25B basic code group recovered out of over 55,000 code groups and about five percent of Additive Book 7 makes one group out of a 100 group message readable on average. USN and FECB records show no decrypts of JN-25B before 7 Dec. 41. See also "Intelligence and the War Against Japan" by Professor Richard J. Aldrich and "Far Eastern File" by Peter Elphink.
Layton made one mistatement five years later about there not being any messages sent to the Kido Butai because he had no reference to his files. Do you remember everything that happened five years ago? No messages were ever sent by the Kido Butai according to Japanese sources and no messages from the Kido Butai were ever intercepted by USN or British stations. Only a handful were sent to the Kido Butai on the Tokyo broadcast. Please provide your citations for any such messages sent by the Kido Butai or messages sent to the Kido Butai that were decrypted by either the USN or FECB.
A few PA-K2 so called "bomb plot" messages were decrypted in Washington, but Commander Kramer thought they were routine ship reports similar to other reports from Bremerton, San Francisco, Long Beach, San Diego and the Panama Canal. So he did not alert anyone to their possible significance, much less President Roosevelt. Many people have excellent 20/20 hindsight and magnify simple failure into a massive conspiracy. Are you saying that Commander Kramer was also "in" on Stinnett's conspiracy?
There are 1,500 boxes chuck full of folders in the Crane files that cover all aspects of naval cryptology before and during WWII. The absence of a few "worksheets" is another "red herring." FYI, your hero, Ralph Briggs, was the Officer in Charge at the Crane, Indiana depository and was responsible for their proper upkeep. Blame him instead of spreading rumors about dedicated naval personnel doing their best with few resources to keep the Navy and the country alert as to Japanese intentions.
As to "Terrible" Turner, I would agree that he was grossly negligent and should have been court martialled for his usurpation and misuse of naval cryptologic intelligence. But he was an egotistical bumbler not a conspirator. I haven't seen any list compliled by Stinnett as to exactly who is supposed to have been "in" on his massive conspiracy. He seems to shift from time to time as to who is included in that group. First it is 30 mostly unspecified persons. Later, it is 80 again mostly unspecified persons. However, I have never seen him include Turner. Essentially, both Marshall and Turner escaped any condemnation because of their subsequent wartime contributions and the failure of some to contradict their exculpatory testimony. Stimson send his Wall Street attorney friend, Clausen, around the world to get new affidavits countering former testimony that resulted in Marshall's early conviction of negligence before the first Army board of inquiry. But that doesn't make Marshall a conspirator, just negligent in informing Short of timely, important intelligence.
Yes, the Redman brothers got rid of Commander Rochefort because he showed them up at the Battle of Midway, but your hero Stinnett includes Rochefort as one of FDR's conspirators. So by analogy, Stinnett is on the side of the Redman brothers. Who is in on this conspiracy and who is not? The names change according to the circumstances of the alleged conspiracy.
Ogg's Johnny Come Lately story has been completely repudiated. See SRH-255 where my friend, then Commander Newman, interviewed him and caused Ogg to backtrack on his original statements. Ogg didn't know what the signals were that he purportedly plotted. What their call signs were or what frequencies they were heard on. In fact, he couldn't remember where the direction finder stations were located that he plotted. Only that one was in San Francisco and one was about 100 miles south on the coast. Actually, there were no direction finder 100 miles down the coast at that time. Even if there had been a direction finder at such a location, any bearings toward the North Pacific would have been overlapping parallel lines with the purported station in San Francisco toward the Japanese littoral. This is due to the nature of such "Tracking Charts" for that area for bearings toward the North Pacific. Thus, no "fix" could have been made in the North Pacific by Ogg from those two stations. Also, Ogg is related to Admiral Kimmel and he never mentioned his plotting of Kido Butai bearings for quite some time after Pearl Harbor to the Kimmel family although he had many such oportunities. Scratch Ogg.
Back to the Winds Execute message that even Stinnett won't touch. See SRH-177 and SRH-210. Although I would be interested in your response, this is a dead horse also.
I don't understand your reference to Barkin and Meyer. There were only two transmission intercepted from the Akagi on 26 and 30 Nov. 41. No messages were sent. The transmissions were only of the calling type most likely for homing purposes to keep the tankers in company during bad weather. What evidence do you have that the Kido Butai sent messages and what was supposed to be in them?
Drip by drip, Stinnett's so called "evidence" is debunked by those who were there and those who really know and have researched Japanese naval communications and U.S. Navy intercepts to shred his misleading allegations. Stinnett told my contemporaries that he wanted to tell their story. However, when their stories didn't agree with his long held conspiracy theory, Stinnett ignored their "evidence." I really don't think you have anymore "evidence" to support your allegations, but will leave it up to the objective members of this board to evaluate your and Stinnett's "evidence" of a massive revisionist conspiracy theories that encompass untold numbers of high, medium and low level officials and is continuing today by hiding unspecified documents.
My hope is that despite any political distaste one may have for Roosevelt's liberal politics, most people can sift through the documented evidence and reject such an impossible conspiracy. We should honor those few but honest, hard working naval cryptologists who suffered harsh duties and lack of promotion to provide the best information they could for the U.S. Navy and the country and not damn them as lacky conspirators without any evidence other than a blinding hatred of FDR for his liberal politics.
Given those experiences, and that of others (e.g., Tansill, Flynn, Barnes, Martin, ...) I see the FDR "court" is still alive and well ...
I do wonder, however, what became of Rochefort's " ... a cheap price" [... entry into WWII] thought after the dealings of FDR at Tehran and Yalta ... Iron Curtain, Cold War, ... For example, did the 1939 invasion of Poland start WWII for the British ... and what happened to Poland at the end of WWII???
In this thread, why hasn't anyone "jumped" on Willey (Pearl Harbor ... Mother of All ....}? Or Barlett's "Cover-Up: The Politics of Pearl Harbor," ...On SRH-051 - I did point to Linn's SRH, On Barkin, I did point to Fishel, ...
On Marshall ... very dismissive ... How did you feel when former First Lady "could not recall" dozens of times. Did Marshall lie under oath ... [Give pause, take a breathe, and ... think about a certain "little blue dress" ...] It's OK - we Europe the Marshall Plan, he got the Nobel Peace Prize ... But you do realize "closing ranks" is a practiced art form - especially for the US Navy ... USS Iowa, Tailhook, ... or in WWII the USS Indianapolis, ... Pearl Harbor!!!
I did say "contradictory" as in "whom to believe"... but that drip, drip ... still applies - going in only onw direction that I can see. It is fast becoming a "reductio ad impossible" exercise ...
Stinnett has named specific people and specific documents not shown before ( ..., GUPID, TESTM, ...); recall Toland gave "Seamen Z" [who we now know is Ogg]. Costello [Days of Infamy] point to specific Churchill documents, even "BJ" serial numbers ... [Black Jumbos or "blue jacket"] STILL not released.
Care to comment on why so many "identified" documents are STILL classified? I know, national security.
Bye the bye, until those are released, Budiansky "War of Wits" remains a very IN-complete story.
Book-breaking, radio silence, individual radio-fingerprinting, "fists" RDF, ... Drip, drip, drip ...
Finally, December 7, 2001 is one (1) month away today ... for the 60th Anniversary and to continue to remember, cherish, and honor those who gave their lives ... Truth, Justice, and the American Way!!!