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To: rdavis84
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2 posted on 11/06/2001 7:14:29 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: wooly_mammoth
"In 1972 I became director of the Trilateral Commission an American, Japanese, West European public organization."

:-) MasterMind, huh?

4 posted on 11/06/2001 7:20:32 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: wooly_mammoth
What an empty premise... really. You might as well blame the rise of Nazism on the Serbians, because a Serb started World War I, which led to the Versailles Treaty, which etc. etc. The Russians fully intended to support their puppet regime in Afghanistan, and clearly coveted it as a vassal state, with eyes on Pakistan and an opening to the Indian Ocean. Their policies up to that point demonstrate the ongoing expansionist "Breshniev Doctrine" as we saw with their support of Vietnam's conquest of SE Asia, the expansion of Soviet clients in Africa, South America, the Caribbean, and their support for international terrorism in Europe and beyond. Once a Marxist insurgency gained a foothold or a Soviet client regime came to power, the USSR fought tenaciously, covertly and then overtly, to never yield an inch of territory, once it came under their influence. Afghan resistance to invaders, actual invasion for the purpose of conquest, dates back before Islam. It wasn't American aid that created a political force who's seeds were already there. It was the destruction of the country by the Soviet Union in their drive for conquest, that left the political vacuum that only the most ruthless faction, the Taliban, ultimately filled.

The rise of Islamic Fundamentalism as a political threat to world peace and democracy dates much further back, to the Pan-Arabism of Nasser and earlier. It is much more a political movement than a religious one, as we have seen in Iran, Algeria, and resurgent Islamicist movements in Egypt, Tunisa, Turkey, etc. The United States really has had less to do with the origins of anti-western sentiments in the Middle East and Asia than the European, Turkish, and Russian colonial powers have had in their respective periods of dominance. Would there be a Taliban if there were no Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? I would be better to ask if there would have been no Soviet invasion of Afghanistan if there had been no Breshniev Doctrine.

11 posted on 11/06/2001 9:27:29 PM PST by Richard Axtell
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