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U.S. Searching for Overboard Sailor
AP | Wednesday, November 7, 2001

Posted on 11/07/2001 8:14:30 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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Comment #61 Removed by Moderator

To: fallavollita
See thats where your confused. My job is to do our die. I serve this country if its in my back yard or on a ship in the middle of some god forsaken gulf water way, you stay on your political horse and I'll stay and defend people like you. I'm just curious isn't a little late on a school night to be out this late???
62 posted on 11/07/2001 10:34:04 PM PST by Ordie 1
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Comment #63 Removed by Moderator

To: fallavollita
all the media-induced waving of the red-white-and-blue

You've had your nose stuck in too many text books if you think the waving of the red, white, and blue is "media-induced" ...... heck, a lot of them refuse to even acknowledge that they are Americans (not to mention Peter Jennings, who isn't an American). The displaying of our flag is a grassroots thing to which some in the media have reacted appropriately.

I would volunteer if I believe my nation and way of life were under attack (and it isn't--WTC notwithstanding).

If you don't think hi-jacking commercial planes full of men, women, and children and using them to crash into the WTC and the Pentagon is an attack on America and your way of life, then God help you. I guess what happened at Pearl Harbor wasn't an attack either.

I want Americans to remember who and what they are again.

I have a son your age. I know one heckuva lot more about who and what I am and what it means to be an American than you can even imagine. You have reached adulthood in the age of bubba-ism and can't conceive of what it really means to be proud to be an American. Once you get out in the real world, you'll wise up quite a bit.

64 posted on 11/07/2001 10:49:21 PM PST by kayak
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To: fallavollita
Well I have to say that the debate was nice and yes I'm here at free republic for a reason. Now for a Navy law lesson, if we don't do what our superiors say in the Navy thats called a MUTINY and you could be punished severely!!! So I chose to do this job for the last 15 years for personel reasons. I want and need to follow the orders that are given me. I'm not a politican I leave that up to you for now. But I'm going to sign off now, I have a 0430 wake up and I need to get to bed. Just remember this kind of debate will not happen in CHINA, when you go to sleep tonight you will be protected by sailors,soldiers, and airman that chose to do this job, not because we are forced to do it. THEY STAND THE WATCH!
65 posted on 11/07/2001 10:58:42 PM PST by Ordie 1
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To: fallavollita
I'm not going to go as far as to actually write my suggestion as to what the military should do to restore our Constitution, God knows the Office of Homeland Security in this day and age would come for me... but read between the lines.

Really? What do you propose the military turn on the government? It can't do that nor can it turn on the citizens. THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WE THE VOTERS!!! It is by constitutional design the military is under the sole authority of those you hate those being civilian leaders. You'll have a hard time finding any military vets wanting it any other way. To do otherwise invites us to be a nation such as those we now fight. As for defending the nation? Right now a majority of our fuel comes from the MED SEA basin so it would be foolish to abandon it. Besides keeping fleets deployed keeps sailors trained and ships safe or rather much safer than they are at a pier.

And you never answered my question what does race ratio have to do with the topic of this thread?

67 posted on 11/07/2001 10:59:49 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: fallavollita
I'm far enough to the right that I'm effectively insulated from the Age of Bubba.

You may not espouse the slime of bubba but you have not been insulated from it. In my own son, I see massive cynicism about government because all that he really knows is what it has degenerated to in the last few years. I see this very same cynicism in your posts, which is quite ironic. He has always been very apolitical but recently married a girl who is fanatically liberal and parrots many of the views that she learned from her liberal family. Yet you and he sound very much alike in talking about the government ..... he now spouting liberal garbage and you claiming to be quite conservative.

Another way that I see evidence of bubba-ism in your posts is in your obvious racism. You have now made derogatory remarks about minorities in the armed forces and about Israel. Bubba was the great divider and did everything he could to foster emphasis on differences rather than seeking commonalities.

68 posted on 11/07/2001 11:13:46 PM PST by kayak
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To: Ordie 1
Bump!

Check "Fagolitas'" member date, November 6,2001. The four paleocons, in the world, have to keep changing their logon name. They are kind of like the Taliban, only not as bright or well kept. Thanks for your service and let your shipmates know that everyone, except those released from institutions, are behind them and want this thing followed thorough to the end, unlike the Gulf or Nam.

69 posted on 11/07/2001 11:16:48 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Ordie 1
Former AO bump like to chat but I need to get some sleep too. maybe tomorrow night.
70 posted on 11/07/2001 11:32:21 PM PST by quietolong
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To: fallavollita
After all, this is the guy who was proposing amnesty for the illegals from Mexico, and flirting with Vincente Fox about dissolving our Southern border, which would forever dilute the traditional character and unity of this nation. Now, if you can get GWB to build a nice big wall post-9/11, I might sit up and pay attention :)

Bush never proposed amnesty for all illegals, that was a stretch by the media when he suggested that maybe we should look again at a guest worker program which would at least have the illegals identified, located, and registered as guest workers, rather than the chaos we have now. He also never suggested eliminating the southern border. Fox may have but otherwise it is another media myth.

So many of Bush's problems, as people like you see it, are for things he never said or did. Get the record straight. He has recently talked again about fixing the immigration problems but it would be nice if the Senate Democrats would at least have hearings on some of his appointments to important positions rather than his being stuck with Clinton holdovers, like the INS guy. Ashcroft just today said a reorganization is forthcoming.

As far as hypothesizing about how the world would be without 911 I ask, why? It did happen and we are very lucky to have Bush in charge. Ask Vladamir Putin.

71 posted on 11/07/2001 11:41:45 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: fallavollita
The answers you need can be found by pressing ALT/F-4...
72 posted on 11/07/2001 11:52:34 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: fallavollita
Deaths on carriers are not rare. As one person responding to you indicated, they happen at the rate of about one per month. It's a dangerous job. I take pride in knowing that most conservatives are honorable enough not to use an unrare event to make political hay. Holy fecal matter, do you want OSHA to be assigned to police aircraft carrier operations from now on? If so, I guarentee we won't see planes flying off them any more.

Be a man--admit you are wrong and drop it.

74 posted on 11/08/2001 12:32:23 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: JohnHuang2
From Rudyard Kipling:

As in the thronged and lighted ways
deep in the darkened desert they stand
wary and watchful,all of their days
that their brethren's days be long in the land

May God watch over this sailor

75 posted on 11/08/2001 1:26:56 AM PST by sawsalimb
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To: Hillary 666
The man upstairs was looking out for that Marine.

So we can assume that if the current man overboard is never found, the man upstairs could give a crap about him?

-ccm

76 posted on 11/08/2001 1:31:19 AM PST by ccmay
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Dumb question perhaps, but is it standard procedure for Navy personnel working on carrier decks to wear some kind of lightweight life preserver? Seems like the smart thing to do if it doesn't get in the way of them doing their jobs properly.
77 posted on 11/08/2001 2:28:07 AM PST by NYS_Eric
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To: JohnHuang2
Hey, any word on the 18 bodies of Special Forces guys killed by Taliban fire in Afghanistan, that we supposedly on their way back to the States?

Well, that's what Pakistani news sources said, anyway.

79 posted on 11/08/2001 2:58:38 AM PST by Illbay
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To: dighton
I was privileged to sing this at the funeral of a C.P.O. (Retired) several years ago in Mobile, Alabama. Didn't know the guy, the family just requested someone to sing "Eternal Father, Strong to Save" and a girl who attended the church knew me, called me up and asked me if I would do it.

Interesting. He'd served in WWII and Korea and had been retired for many years, but the funeral was all Navy. Very touching.

80 posted on 11/08/2001 3:01:08 AM PST by Illbay
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