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CLINTON: THE PORTRAIT OF DORIAN GRAY
Dqban22 | November 10, 2001 | Dqban22

Posted on 11/10/2001 8:18:25 AM PST by Dqban22

CLINTON: THE PROTRAIT OF DORIAN GRAY

It was pitiful the spectacle of former president Bill Clinton addressing his Alma Mater, Georgetown Jesuit University, where he graduated in 1968. Was he stoned or was he brutally battered by his wife the previous night? Or was his disfigured face, swollen read nose and blotted eyes, that reminded me of the Portray of Dorian Gray, the product of a life of vice, lie and deception?

The master communicator was rambling, incoherent and certainly divisive in his speech to an audience composed by Jesuit students who were raised to an emotional delirium by the words of the former president. While President Bush was uniting the nation and raising the spirit of the American people, Clinton was trying to divide the country with a peroration that could well have been written by Usama bin Laden’s speechwriters.

In his address Clinton accused the U.S. of a long history of terrorism against Blacks and the slaughter of the American Indians in order to rob their territories and mineral rights, terrorists actions for which, according to Clinton, we are still paying for. Behind those historical divagations, Clinton was in fact implying that those terrorist allegations were the roots cause for the terrorist attack of September 11 with the sequel of over 5,000 innocent victims being cowardly murdered. Clinton preferred to ignore that the U.S. is today one of the most fair and free nations in the world.

The fact is that such alleged horrors occurred more than a century ago and that hundreds of the victims that died on September 11 attack were from more than 80 countries around the world, including Muslims, and that none of the Americans who died had any responsibility for the alleged horrors, never have deterred Clinton from making scurrilous allegations against our country.

Or was Clinton just trying to deviate the public’s attention away from his own responsibility? President Clinton emasculated and demoralized the Intelligence Services, the Justice Department, and dangerously undermanned and under-funded our Arms Forces leaving the countrywide open for terrorist attacks. Clinton also aided and abetted the international terrorism by freeing the Puerto Rican terrorists responsible for the murder of policemen, bombings, and bank heists in the U.S.

Clinton, who complained about the mistreating of the American Indians, has responsibility for defrauding millions of dollars from the Indian Reservations Funds during his administration while they were under the care of Clinton’s Interior Department.

The main culprits for the terrorist attacks of September 11, were Usama bin Laden and the Islamic terrorist network that declared war upon the U.S., Christianity, the Jews, the Western civilization and all the other world religions, as was demonstrated by the destruction in Afghanistan of giant Buda statues, that were sculptured on a mountain, invaluable religious and artistic treasures of humankind lost for ever by the fanaticism and hatred of Islamic zealots.

One of the students of Georgetown University, said in the O’Reilly’s program that the main reason for Clinton invitation was that “he was most respected and admired” by the students of that prestigious Jesuit institution. In fact many students spent the night waiting queued for the precious privilege of hearing this president product of Jesuit education, and during and after the Clinton’s address the students erupted with such an enthusiastic expressions of approval that seemed more appropriate for hysterical pre-teen girls toward a rock star than for men formed and educated by the Jesuits.

To consider Clinton, who was the second president in the history of U.S. to be impeached, disbar for lying under oath, and who disgraced and dishonored the office of the Presidency, as “the most respected and admired” by students formed by the Jesuits, reveals the moral decay of today’s Jesuit education and is quite an indictment against an institution that once enjoyed the highest academic and morals standards.


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To: Von Rex
Tell me, friend, did you bother to understand Clinton's speech before you posted a link to the disgusting thing?

Idiot. Never use slander and Clinton in the same sentence. It's impossible to accuse him of any crime or treasonous act he hasn't committed.

21 posted on 11/10/2001 10:56:32 AM PST by keri
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To: Von Rex
I read your linked speech. Do you agree with: "Those of us who come from various European lineages are not blameless."? What did we do to influence those referenced events? How are we responsible for what happened in a passed society at a passed time? Even if he got his history correct - which he did not - it is impossible to influence past events from the future.

What we are NOT blameless about is the decay of our society to such an extent that Bill Clinton could become president, sell national security for campaign money, disgrace his office and this country, escape conviction for impeached actions he clearly took, etc., etc, and people still think his voice is worth hearing.

22 posted on 11/10/2001 10:59:12 AM PST by Semper
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To: Von Rex
There friend, I believe that it is you who should read Clinton's diatribe again, and I quote him "Here in the United States, we were founded as a nation that practiced slavery and slaves were, quite frequently, killed even though they were innocent. This country once looked the other way when significant numbers of Native Americans were dispossessed and killed to get their land or their mineral rights or because they were thought of as less than fully human and we are still paying the price today. Even in the 20th century in America people were terrorized or killed because of their race. And even today, though we have continued to walk, sometimes to stumble, in the right direction, we still have the occasional hate crime rooted in race, religion, or sexual orientation. So terror has a long history." The case is closed.
23 posted on 11/10/2001 11:08:12 AM PST by Dqban22
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To: Semper
AMEN!
24 posted on 11/10/2001 11:09:39 AM PST by Dqban22
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To: MosesKnows
It seems that the Jesuit adoption of moral cafeteria and Marxist Liberation Theology have resulted in the abandonment of traditional Catholic values. Make your own judgment based on facts.
25 posted on 11/10/2001 11:16:31 AM PST by Dqban22
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To: Dqban22
Clinton can't get an audience of adult Americans of drool and faint when he speaks, only children. If his nose is any indication I'd say he belongs in detox with his also red-nosed brother.
26 posted on 11/10/2001 11:54:55 AM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: Dqban22
Excellent. This sums up Clinton for me:

FR thread on Clinton's speech.

This is at least how often blubba used each of the following words in the first ten paragraphs. I may have missed some. Use of "we" as noted here is when blubba is claiming victory or identification with a group, such as his administration, rather than making a general statement.

Watch Bill Clinton refer to himself in the first ten paragraphs:


I = 44 times
me = 5 times
my = 7 times
we = 12

It stood out that he often uses "I" when it is totally unnecessary; for example, where a factual statement could be made, he begins it by saying something like, "I want to tell you about how I handled this situation."

25 posted on 11/8/01 11:16 PM Pacific by GretchenEE


In contrast to the times the impeached, disgraced boy president used personal pronouns, I counted this many uses of "I, me," and "my" in President Bush's speech in Atlanta Thursday night. Just the first ten paragraphs. I didn't count the uses of "we" because Bush uses the word overwhelmingly to refer to us as a nation when using this word, rather than the giants on whose shoulders he might claim to stand within his administration.

Watch President Bush refer to himself in his November 8 speech:


I = 1
me = 0
my = 0

32 posted on 11/8/01 11:26 PM Pacific by GretchenEE



Check also Pythonic Cow's #42, he counted all of the words.
27 posted on 11/10/2001 4:47:08 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Semper
Semper, no, I don't agree with that statement. I think that atrocities of the past, regardless of the color of those who committed them, should be viewed as warnings and lessons, but I don't think we personally bear responsibility for them. You and I haven't owned any slaves. I think Clinton was laying it on thick there, as he often does, and it was a sentence he should have edited out of his speech. But I do agree with the larger point he was making, that campaigns of terror don't succeed because they create more problems than they solve. Again, not a controversial or terribly profound point, but this whole uproar was a tempest in a teapot to begin with.
28 posted on 11/10/2001 6:53:01 PM PST by Von Rex
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To: Paul Atreides
I wish we could just strap them all to an A-bomb and drop it on Bin Laden.

clicking my heels, clicking my heels....

29 posted on 11/10/2001 6:59:28 PM PST by christine
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To: Dqban22; Carolina
Carolina thank you so much for pinging me to this thread.

WOW !!!!!!! Dqban22 are you ever a great writter. Thank you for writing this. It is excellent.

30 posted on 11/10/2001 7:23:45 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Dqban22
Case closed? What did you prove, DQban22? You haven't backed up any of your original allegations, which were:
  1. Clinton said that the US "deserved" the Sept 11 attack.
  2. Clinton attempted to cast division on the war effort
  3. Clinton's speech could have been written by Osama bin Laden

In reality, Clinton offerred his unconditional support for the war and for Bush's direction of it. He spoke long and eloquently of the need to carry this war to it's final conclusion. Most of you have attacked Clinton as a godless liberal bent on creating a hegemonic world government. Do you really think he and Osama bin Laden share the same goals?

And the "pay the price" comment was a shameless lie on the part of the Washington Times. In his speech he mentioned first the Crusades and said the west still pays a price for what happened there. And that is true. Then he went into the bit about America having a history of slavery and genocidal acts towards the Indians. Which is also true, though of course times have changed for the immeasurably better.

But look at what the Washington Times story did. They reversed the order of the comments, starting with the remarks about slavery and then following it by saying "and we still pay the price", making it look like he was referring to his remarks about slavery, when in fact he was referring to Crusades and only speaking of the West in a general sense, not talking about the USA specifically at all. This isn't a mistake, or a misquote. This was a lie, deliberately engineered to stir you all up. I don't have much respect for the Moonie Times in any case, but this is pretty low, even for them.

And I don't think his speech was rambling or incoherent. Here were his two main points.

  1. Technology creates new dangers as it gives us new benefits. Since we're not willing to give up the benefits, we'd better find ways to work together to lessen the dangers.
  2. Almost all societies today are broken into two groups of people -- those who focus on the attributes we share, and those who focus on the attributes that are different.

He did NOT say anywhere that the USA deserved to have 5000 of its civilians murdered by nutcases from the Middle East. If you want to retract that allegation, DQban22, then the case is closed.

31 posted on 11/10/2001 7:28:39 PM PST by Von Rex
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To: onedoug
Maybe, but did you read the speech?
32 posted on 11/10/2001 7:34:45 PM PST by Lady_Marmalade
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To: Dqban22
Excellent analysis DQ as was the original Washington Times report. One can't get away from the stink, as the apologists would like us to do. At best, this speech could be considered incoherent if it came from somebody else's mouth. In particular, the bit about the "nature of truth" is a hoot, ain't it?! But after 68 years of incoherent foreign policies this hillbilly halfwit is posing here as an uninvolved observer, a philosopher, and sorry, but by bringing up these unrelated historical occurrences, he clearly implies or infers the things he is accused of on this forum and elsewhere. Note the politically correct self flagellation: it's only those of European heritage who are guilty of various sins. I'd say to the apologists, that if you think your hero is trying to bring historical perspective to the issue, he just ain't qualified to do it and it shows in this sorry attempt. A fool on the hill at best.
33 posted on 11/10/2001 8:25:50 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Revolting cat!
68 years=8 years you fool dumbie!
34 posted on 11/10/2001 8:26:54 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Dqban22
To consider Clinton, who was the second president in the history of U.S. to be impeached, disbar for lying under oath, and who disgraced and dishonored the office of the Presidency, as “the most respected and admired” by students formed by the Jesuits, reveals the moral decay of today’s Jesuit education and is quite an indictment against an institution that once enjoyed the highest academic and morals standards.

For Shame: GEORGETOWN!

35 posted on 11/10/2001 8:44:08 PM PST by victim soul
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To: Dqban22
Well done.
36 posted on 11/10/2001 8:46:13 PM PST by LibKill
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To: Dqban22
This country [looks] the other way when significant numbers ... [are] killed ... because they [are] thought of as less than fully human and we are still paying the price today. Even in the 20th century in America.
37 posted on 11/10/2001 9:22:27 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: tuesday afternoon
"Time will heal all facts" William Jefferson Clinton, October 1998.
38 posted on 11/10/2001 9:33:52 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Dqban22
To answer your question,Clinton was stoned.

Showed up something like 45 minutes late, rambled like a jackass, eyes lit up like a jack-o-lantern.

39 posted on 11/10/2001 9:42:22 PM PST by NewRecruit
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To: Snow Bunny
My friend when you wrote, “Clinton said that the ‘U.S.’ deserved the Sep 11 attack”, those were your words, not mine. Perhaps you were having a Freudian slip, or perhaps you know Clinton complex mind better than I.

For Clinton, to bring up the Crusades, that happened over 700 hundred years ago or the crimes committed against Blacks and the American Indians over a hundred years ago, is trying to link those unrelated occurrences with the 11 Sep. terrorist attack diluting the monstrosity of the coward attack. Clinton was, in fact, establishing a moral equivalence and giving the enemy justification for their acts. That was a very powerful propaganda tool given to the enemies of our country that not even bin Laden’s propaganda machine could better.

Please don’t try to defend what is indefensible, Clinton actions have been bordering in treason since he went to Moscow right after the Soviet bloodbath in Prague. He gave aid and support to the communist henchmen at the peak of the Soviet brutal expansionist drive, while organizing public rallies against our country in Oslo and London while our men were dying in Vietnam.

40 posted on 11/11/2001 5:07:41 AM PST by Dqban22
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