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What IS Wrong With Clinton (and those like him) (my title)
11/10/01 | nicmarlo

Posted on 11/10/2001 4:07:45 PM PST by nicmarlo

After reading threads about Clinton, and one of the posts, especially, "What is wrong with Clinton?" (which refers to his recent, disgraceful speech at Georgetown), it made me wonder, really, what is wrong with him, what created him and those like him, and why anyone admires him.

My input on "what's wrong with Clinton," those like him, and his "admirers," is for the purpose of enlightenment (myself included) and prevention (in ourselves and over those whom we have some control, i.e., our children).

I. Philosophically: In the Republic, Plato attributes Socrates as saying "in all of us, even in good men, there is a lawless wild-beast nature." But it is the tyrannical man who does not control this beast from within. Instead, he allows the beast to devour any remaining goodness, or "sense of shame," within him and, simultaneously, allows the basest part of himself to grow and control what and who he is. He progressively is taken over by this lawless nature and, ultimately, becomes enslaved to his vices. The tyrannical man's needs, according to Socrates, are "insatiable."

This type of person is the most "unjust and miserable" of all. They live in constant fear of betrayal, amongst others. He is superficial, "always . . . in a fury of passions and desires." It is worse with a tyrant in power, not only because those beneath him are subject to his whims, but also because he "is not master of himself." He has no temperance, patience, steadfastness, stability, or confidence, in himself or others. I would say this type of man has no kind of respectable characteristics nor anything good that would attract genuine loyalty.

His fear (loss of power, prestige, possessions) drives him to behave in ways dishonorable and despicable: he is "obliged to practice the greatest adulation and servility, and to be the flatterer of the vilest of mankind. He has desires which he is utterly unable to satisfy, and has more wants than anyone. . . ."

Because the tyrannical individual's desires and needs are neverending, the good originally within has become diminutive or non-existent. Greater power, therefore, makes him more corrupt and, consequently, he becomes "more jealous, more faithless, more unjust, more friendless, more impious, than he was at first." Socrates also said, according to Plato, that an unpunished tyrant is worse yet.

II. Psycho/Social: According to Elliot Aronson (The Social Animal), people are subject to "cognitive disonance: a state of tension that occurs whenever an individual simultaneously holds two cognitions (ideas, attitudes, beliefs, opinions) that are psychologically inconsistent." In other words, when you believe one thing but act in contradiction to your belief, you experience cognitive disonance. When this occurs, people seek to justify their "wrong" behaviors so that neither they nor others will think badly of them.

Aronson writes "people don't like to see or hear things that conflict with their deeply held beliefs or wishes." Deep-seated attitudes are hard to change because we distort what we hear/see to fit our beliefs. The stronger our beliefs, the greater the distortion. Truth is filtered through our biases. And it becomes our own form of truth, or what my professor called our own "fog." We do not question our strongly held beliefs, we seek to justify them. Examples of this type of filtering abound. Aronson cites one study performed on cigarette smokers. (Don't flame me, I smoke.) Smokers were told studies showed that cigarettes cause cancer. They didn't want to feel stupid for continuing to smoke, so smokers sought to justify their behavior by mentally discrediting the studies. By doing so, they justifyied their behavior but continued harming themselves.

This kind of justification process has been applied to other behavior, such as investments (i.e., emotional or financial). There is a direct correlation between the greater the investment, the greater the loyalty. Why? Because you want others to think you're smart. If you're smart, you would only invest in smart people. If you've made a "major investment" in a person, it's difficult to admit you made a "huge mistake" without feeling foolish (hence not smart). This would explain why some individuals stick by a "poor investment."

III. Spiritually: In the Bible, it says that when people repeatedly commits acts which they know in their hearts are wrong, they are given over by God to a depraved state of mind. (Therefore God gave them up to uncleaness through the lusts of their own hearts . . ., Rom. 1:24; God gave them up unto vile affections, Rom. 1:26; God gave them over to a reprobate mind, Rom. 1:28.)

I suppose you could say the more wrong you do, the more callous you become to doing wrong and the easier it becomes to continue in wrongdoing.

Based, generally, on the above, I have come to the conclusion that Clinton has been encouraged, from his youth, to allow his "wild-beast nature" to grow unchecked. He has not been held accountable for his actions. He proclaims himself a Christian and attends church, holding his Bible for the cameras, but not holding himself to the mirror of its truths. He has surrounded himself with people he could "buy," who, through their own cognitive dissonance, could not allow themselves to admit or perceive the truth of who or what he is (a shameful and base human being). His followers live in a fog, filtering out this truth, thereby, encouraging him and themselves to become more blinded to the truth and, he, more base. God is the judge of all. I do not proclaim to be God. But He also said, you shall know them by their fruits. We have the right to judge their behavior and actions to determine right from wrong. And wrong should be punished, not encouraged.


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1 posted on 11/10/2001 4:07:45 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Bill Clinton is a bonafide psychopath.
2 posted on 11/10/2001 4:10:18 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: nicmarlo
What IS Wrong With Clinton?

I don't know, but a team of psychologists could make a career out of studying Klinton. There are plenty of sociopaths with delusions of grandeur out there in the world. It's really sad that the news media, Congress, and a large segment of our society enabled Klinton's outrageous behavior for so long. No wonder so many countries in the world have lost respect for us. I'm glad that GW Bush is doing a good job of getting respectability back into the White House.

3 posted on 11/10/2001 4:16:00 PM PST by Hillary 666
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To: Hillary 666
GW Bush is doing a good job of getting respectability back into the White House.

Bush is the antithesis of Clinton. Bush's sincerity and selflessness are probably a couple of reasons why Hillary Clinton rolled her eyes at his speech. Bush doesn't have to buy anybody's loyalty. He exudes everything good and respectable, in a man and as President. What a contrast from Clinton.

5 posted on 11/10/2001 4:26:24 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Clinton would give Sigmund Freud many sleepless nights.
6 posted on 11/10/2001 4:30:18 PM PST by LaGrone
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To: nicmarlo
There are lots of old hippies around whose social development was arrested by the use of drugs. Drugs also left many of them with delusions of grandeur. Many of the TV news teleprompt readers are old hippies.
7 posted on 11/10/2001 5:08:55 PM PST by abclily
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To: nicmarlo
it made me wonder, really, what is wrong with him,

Answer:

what created him and those like him,

Answer: goober inbreeding

8 posted on 11/10/2001 5:25:52 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: nicmarlo
Besides being an offish churl and an insult to white trash ,maybe he is suffering from General Paresis,(Syphillis in advanced stages)Progressive Dementia.
9 posted on 11/10/2001 5:29:08 PM PST by chatham
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To: nicmarlo
And, on top of what everyone here has said, Klintoon is a NARCISSIST, as is his wife - totally self absorbed.
10 posted on 11/10/2001 5:31:44 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: nicmarlo
Bush is the antithesis of Clinton. Bush's sincerity and selflessness are probably a couple of reasons why Hillary Clinton rolled her eyes at his speech. Bush doesn't have to buy anybody's loyalty. He exudes everything good and respectable, in a man and as President. What a contrast from Clinton.

Thank God. If Al Gorp was president right now, we would be finished as a country. I sincerely believe that that is the real intention of the Klinton/Gorp team. They sold out our country for money and celebrity status and they knew what they were doing.

11 posted on 11/10/2001 5:33:44 PM PST by Hillary 666
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. . . maybe he is suffering from General Paresis,(Syphillis in advanced stages) Progressive Dementia.

No, that would only serve as another excuse and also allow him to not accept responsibility for his disgusting behavior (for probably most of his life).

12 posted on 11/10/2001 5:34:11 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Hillary 666
. . . Klinton/Gorp team. They sold out our country for money and celebrity status and they knew what they were doing.

Yep. And probably plotted it for a long time beforehand (and are probably still plotting).

13 posted on 11/10/2001 5:38:07 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
What IS Wrong With Clinton

The same thing that was wrong with Norman Bates.

14 posted on 11/10/2001 5:41:00 PM PST by WalterSkinner
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To: NyteFlyte
It's simple, he is the ANTI-CHRIST....

I'll drink to that.

15 posted on 11/10/2001 5:44:14 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: nicmarlo
NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER

16 posted on 11/10/2001 5:47:21 PM PST by Fraulein
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To: nicmarlo
Not only insightful, but so dead-on this becomes a bookmark in my world. Thank you so much for your analysis of this uncontrolled beast-especially you summation below:

Based, generally, on the above, I have come to the conclusion that Clinton has been encouraged, from his youth, to allow his "wild-beast nature" to grow unchecked. He has not been held accountable for his actions.[My favorite line... He proclaims himself a Christian and attends church, holding his Bible for the cameras, but not holding himself to the mirror of its truths. He has surrounded himself with people he could "buy," who, through their own cognitive dissonance, could not allow themselves to admit or perceive the truth of who or what he is (a shameful and base human being). His followers live in a fog, filtering out this truth, thereby, encouraging him and themselves to become more blinded to the truth and, he, more base. God is the judge of all. I do not proclaim to be God. But He also said, you shall know them by their fruits. We have the right to judge their behavior and actions to determine right from wrong. And wrong should be punished, not encouraged.

Not only nailed, but glued and melted down.

17 posted on 11/10/2001 5:50:56 PM PST by Republic
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To: NyteFlyte
I thought the anti-christ was 666 not 696969
18 posted on 11/10/2001 5:53:55 PM PST by exmoor
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To: Republic
Thank you for your compliments, which I humbly accept. I have spent many hours, especially of late, trying to solidify my thoughts of him.
19 posted on 11/10/2001 6:00:08 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
It's called corruption. C.S. Lewis explins it well in many of his writings. The famous tale "The Portrait of Dorian Gray" also does a pretty good job.
20 posted on 11/10/2001 6:00:35 PM PST by mercy
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