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Muslims outraged at Justice Department
AP Newswire | 16 November | John McFarland, AP Writer

Posted on 11/16/2001 5:26:42 PM PST by Roy Tucker

DALLAS (AP) - Arabs and Muslims expressed outrage Friday at the U.S. Justice Department's plan to interview 5,000 young male foreigners, who are not suspected of any crimes, as part of the terrorism investigation. Civil rights activists say the action constitutes racial profiling.

"Unless the government has credible evidence that all these 5,000 men were involved in terrorism, which is very unlikely, then what Mr. Ashcroft is advocating is racial profiling at its most fundamental level," said Ramzi Dakour, vice president of the Arab American Students Association at the University of Texas at Austin.

Attorney General John Ashcroft announced Tuesday that the Justice Department has distributed a list of 5,000 men it wanted to interview about the Sept. 11 attacks. The list comprises men ages 18 to 33 who entered the United States since Jan. 1, 2000, from certain countries.

The countries represented were linked to the hijackers in the Sept. 11 attacks or were waystations for the terrorist organization, al-Qaida. The department acknowledges the men are likely to be Arab and Muslim, but says the list wasn't based on ethnic origin.

"This is yet another example of the heavy-handedness that's being used without any rhyme or reason," said Sohail Mohammed, an immigration lawyer in New Jersey. He represents several men who were questioned shortly after the attacks and are now jailed on immigration charges.

Mohammed said he would advise people to cooperate with questioners "if there's a good, well-articulated reason other than just a general fishing around."

Earlier interviews seemed to be just that, he said, "Stupid questions like, 'What do you think of American civilization?' and 'Why do you pray five times a day?' If that's what they're going to ask this time, people will say, 'No fishing in this house.' "

The American Civil Liberties Union of Texas is distributing hundreds of pamphlets, some in Arabic, explaining civil rights under federal and state law.

The Justice Department interview initiative is "formalized, black-and-white stated policy directing law officers to racially profile," said William Harrell, executive director of the state ACLU.

Hana Saleh, a member of the Muslim Student Association at the University of Texas at Dallas, said students are increasingly concerned about racial profiling.

"You can't just say that because a person is from this part of the world, they will act this way," she said. "People who know us personally would never approve of this. As human beings, we all want freedom."

Najat Elsayed, president of the University of Houston's Council of American-Islamic Relations, said people with no connection to the attacks may feel nervous about talking to investigators for fear a miscommunication could land them in jail.

"We want to help as much as possible, but we haven't done anything wrong and we are legal, productive citizens," she said. "We don't see why we should be subjected just because someone from our race did something."


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To: Capitalist Eric
Leave it to the A.C.L.U. is unAmerican, illogical and an atheistic group. Why don't they move to Isalm?
21 posted on 11/16/2001 6:07:15 PM PST by nmh
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To: Roy Tucker
Muslims outraged at Justice Department

Well, then move back to the Middle East.
22 posted on 11/16/2001 6:08:00 PM PST by summer
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To: JIM O
Re your post #16 - BTTT.
23 posted on 11/16/2001 6:08:30 PM PST by summer
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To: JIM O
I am sill waiting for Muslims outrage over 9/11

HEY! Wait a second! Has there been any?

We may have to wait some more...

24 posted on 11/16/2001 6:09:18 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Roy Tucker
The fact that arab-"american" muslims are outraged that we want to defend ourselves against non-citizens is the last straw for me. Looking at the enormous hit to our economy of all of this post attack security I have a question; are arab muslims worth this much trouble? (Will we sink if we have fewer 7-11's and donut shops?) I am sick of the Saudi oil blackmail as well. That regime has killed itself by subsidizing Wahabbi Jihads so it is when not if!
25 posted on 11/16/2001 6:09:38 PM PST by Righty1
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To: Roy Tucker
The louder they whine, the more I suspect them. They have no allegiance to this country and I don't believe anything they say. F*** em.
26 posted on 11/16/2001 6:12:40 PM PST by paul51
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To: Capitalist Eric
If it's decent cheese (not Kraft) send it to me via FReepMail. As to the Arabs: perhaps we will finally get the Supremes to rule on the question: "Do non-citizens have Constitutional rights?" My opinion, nope. ACLU's opinion,...well, you know. We have a difference of opinion.
27 posted on 11/16/2001 6:12:44 PM PST by ninenot
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To: Roy Tucker
Some lawyer "represents several men who were questioned shortly after the attacks and are now jailed on immigration charges." The INS is a "service" within the Justice Department. The only reason needed is a reasonable suspicion that immigration laws have been violated. Note how quickly this fact is brushed over by the author. Deport terrorist sympathizers and accomplices.
28 posted on 11/16/2001 6:28:51 PM PST by Draco
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To: Roy Tucker
If someone gave my generic profile a bad name I would participate in their demise. I think the Muslims should be lining up to denounce terrorists and to give information that might help identify the terrorists.
29 posted on 11/16/2001 6:35:47 PM PST by kdf1
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To: JRadcliffe
I did not realize that a formal declaration of war had been made. Did I miss something?

Yes, you did. You are apparently unaware that Usama bin Laden and several others signed a fatwa declaring jihad (aka "Holy War") against all Americans: men, women and children. Not to mention all the statements by the Taliban and Al-Qaeda officials declaring war against the U.S. and calling for its destruction. Oh yes, and perhaps you didn't hear about what happened in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001.

These are all proclamations and acts of war, and they are as formal as any declaration of war can be. True, the U.S.Congress has not formally declared a state of war against any specific nation (yet), but it has passed a resolution supporting full military action against terrorists and their state sponsors which has the equivalent effect. And, in practice, it only takes one side to create a state of war. Remember Pearl Harbor.

You are certainly free to believe everything is normal and that there is no war underway, despite the use of this term by virtually every U.S. leader from the President on down. You may also believe the U.S. has not been involved in any wars since WWII because there has been no formal declaration of war by Congress since then.

Of course, you are also free to believe in the Easter Bunny, too. That doesn't mean the Easter Bunny is real.

As for questioning individuals who have recently come to the U.S. from countries with known or suspected ties to terrorist organizations or sponsor nations, U.S. law enforcement is FULLY EMPOWERED under law to conduct whatever investigations it sees fit. I have seen nothing proposed in this case which can be reasonably challenged in court. Criminal investigations have traditionally been given significant latitude when it comes to questioning potential witnesses and suspects -- for centuries, in fact.

What is so special about these people that they cannot be interviewed? If federal agents came to my door and wanted to question me, I would be obliged to talk with them or refuse and be subject to arrest for questioning and further investigation. This is nothing new: it was as true 100 years ago as it is today.

Should these people get special exemptions because they may be Muslims or Arabs? I am an American citizen, and these guys are not. If I had just come back from an extended stay in Qatar, I might very well be questioned about my stay by federal agents. Should I be indignant because I am an American? Of course not! For foreign nationals to complain about it is utterly ridiculous and, frankly, legitimate cause for greater interest.

Am I advocating a police state? Definitely not. The fact is, nothing proposed here is any more "fascist" than this or any other country is justly empowered to do, whether at war or peace. Take a look at Europe. Or, for more extreme examples, check out the very countries these interviewees are coming from. Complaining about being questioned in light of what has happened is shockingly absurd, and those beating their chests about it are pathetic.

I certainly agree that we need to keep a close eye on what our government does during these difficult times, especially when it comes to enacting laws or adopting policies that contravene the Constitution I have sworn to uphold and defend, but that does not justify carping and moaning about silly things like this.

Let's avoid the urge to cry "wolf" at every turn, and focus instead on what really matters.

30 posted on 11/16/2001 6:39:21 PM PST by Imal
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To: Roy Tucker; OLDWORD
So the Muslims are upset that groups such as elderly caucasion women from Des Moines are not being interviewed in order to find other terrorists? Here's the deal, this will make everyone happy.

The F.B.I. can delegate to the Muslim organizations the "investigation" of up to 20,000 white-haired old ladies. They can file reports in triplicate to the F.B.I. about all the terrorists they find. The little old ladies will appreciate the attention. And not one minute of agents' time will be spent looking for terrorists WHERE THERE AREN'T ANY.

Glad I could be of service.

Congressman Billybob

31 posted on 11/16/2001 6:40:56 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Roy Tucker
Do we now have another crynority group?
32 posted on 11/16/2001 6:41:20 PM PST by nonliberal
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To: Imal
Very good post.
33 posted on 11/16/2001 6:42:11 PM PST by Roy Tucker
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To: Roy Tucker
Earlier interviews seemed to be just that, he said, "Stupid questions like, 'What do you think of American civilization?' and 'Why do you pray five times a day?'

I'd like to know the answers to those questions too. Their customs are alien to the American way. If they don't like their STAY in the U.S. then LEAVE!

34 posted on 11/16/2001 6:47:42 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Congressman Billybob
It's TRUE....'you' DO learn something new every day!!! This thread has just taught me that muslim, islame, suspected-terrorist-link is a 'race'.
35 posted on 11/16/2001 6:49:43 PM PST by mommadooo3
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To: Roy Tucker
Arabs and Muslims expressed outrage Friday at the U.S. Justice Department's plan to interview 5,000 young male foreigners

We can solve this by shipping them all back where they came from with no questions asked.

36 posted on 11/16/2001 6:50:03 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Roy Tucker
"We don't see why we should be subjected just because someone from our race did something."

Najat, it's not just someone...it's a whole hive of you that was involved in the attack and destruction. So, if you want to consider yourselves part of a "race" then the Justice Department is right in treating you as a collective race.

Got it? And by the way, I'm still waiting to hear your "race" apologize for what happened. And publicly rejoice for what is happening now.

Hypocrites!

37 posted on 11/16/2001 6:50:34 PM PST by eleni121
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To: Roy Tucker
"You can't just say that because a person is from this part of the world, they will act this way," she said. "People who know us personally would never approve of this. As human beings, we all want freedom."

Their idea of freedom being kissing the ground 5 times a day praising Allah and working on plans to convert America to Islam.

38 posted on 11/16/2001 6:51:41 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Roy Tucker
Hana Saleh, "As human beings we all want freedom", yeah babe, I'm sure you want freedom for yourself, but you Islamics seem to have a problem with other people having that same freedom.

Just more whining about themselves and their rights, still only tepid protest about 9-11, or none at all, it's all about them, and they are the most famous liars in the world. Why don't they go back to their Islamic paradises and pound sand?

39 posted on 11/16/2001 6:54:27 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Yes, sir, I am outraged at what happened to this country on 9/11. What can I do to help?

vs

This is racial profiling. Speak to my lawyer.

40 posted on 11/16/2001 7:07:51 PM PST by Tymesup
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