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The Saudi Time Bomb?
PBS Frontline ^ | 11-15-01

Posted on 11/17/2001 3:47:19 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Can America still count on one of its most important allies in the Arab world -- Saudi Arabia? Or does an undercurrent of militant Islamic fundamentalism threaten the stability of both Saudi Arabia and the entire region? FRONTLINE and The New York Times explore these and other questions in "Saudi Time Bomb?"

Through interviews with U.S. and Saudi officials, political analysts, religious experts, and observers, this report outlines the history of U.S.-Saudi relations, the internal problems and contradictions within Saudi society, the growing Islamic fundamentalist movement that threatens Saudi Arabia's stability, and the troubling connections between Saudi Arabia and some Islamic religious schools, or "madrassas," which propagate an extreme form of Islam, known as Wahhabism, throughout the Muslim world.

"Saudi Time Bomb?" explores how Wahhabism is one of the undercurrents of Islamic extremism. This form of Islam, rooted in Saudi Arabia, is based on a particularly austere, literal interpretation of the Koran. (Critics say that Wahhabism's rigidity makes it open to misinterpretation and distortion.) Observers say some madrassas -- though intended to spread literacy among underprivileged youth through study of the Koran -- have evolved into Wahhabi schools that use the Koran to justify waging war against non-believers.

FRONTLINE chronicles how these madrassas grew into the thousands during the ten-year Afghan war against the Soviets. And how -- because of the nature of that war -- the madrassas, most notably in Pakistan, became training centers for jihad.

"They were recruiting, organizing schools which used Islamic ideology as a way of creating a very efficient guerrilla army," says Vali Nasr, an authority on Islamic fundamentalism. "You have the whole rise, if you would, of Islamic West Points."

Exploring the far-flung influence of Wahhabism, FRONTLINE tells the story of an impoverished boy from the Comoros Islands, Haroun Fazul. Schooled by a Wahhabi cleric at a madrassa, he received a scholarship to study at a Wahhabi madrassa in Pakistan, and from there went on to join Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. In 1998, he bombed the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya.

This report also examines the role of Saudi charities in funding some of these madrassas; the Wahhabi sect's close ties to the Taliban, many of whom were educated in Saudi-financed madrassas in Pakistan; and the current tensions between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia arising from the kingdom's seeming reluctance to cooperate in the war on terrorism.

In his interview with FRONTLINE in late September, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, maintained that the kingdom's relationship with the United States remains strong. Yet former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft concedes that there is much resentment among Saudis and other Arabs over America's strong support of Israel. And U.S. policymakers say there is also lingering resentment over the presence of U.S. troops stationed in Saudi Arabia. But both Scrowcroft and former Secretary of State James Baker maintain that America's Saudi-based troops are necessary to protect the region and its vast reserves of oil, on which the United States economy depends.


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This Frontline special provided a very interesting overview of Saudi Arabia's role in funding, "educating", and training Wahhabi youth. America needs to keep one eye on Saudi as we conduct our war on terrorism.
1 posted on 11/17/2001 3:47:19 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
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2 posted on 11/17/2001 3:53:48 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I saw it. It made me want to start bombing THEM....NOW.
3 posted on 11/17/2001 3:56:10 AM PST by Loopy
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To: Loopy
Agreed. The whole Wahhabi movement that the Saudi's fund is a swamp that needs to be drained one way or the other. It's like a petri dish for anti-West non-Islam hate.
4 posted on 11/17/2001 4:04:41 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If the Saudi's had any brains they would get rid of these Wahhabis quickly, quietly, and quite soon. It was hard for America to bomb Afghanistan only because there were not real targets--Saudi Arabia is different. Lots of choice places to bomb--from palaces to government buildings to oil fields. So they shouldn't push their luck. They should clean up their own mess--or we might have to do it for them.

The Saudis are real good at finding and killing Christians--this should be a piece of cake for them.

5 posted on 11/17/2001 4:05:27 AM PST by IceGirl2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I saw the special some weeks ago and Prince Sultan confirmed that the Saudi government spirited a bunch of bin Ladens out of the USA by jet right after 9/11. Have never seen it much discussed in the national media. How could our government have allowed that to happen? Those people should have been questioned. Ashcroft is detaining over 1,000 Muslim men and seeking to question 5,000 more. Probably very few have any real connection to the 19 terrorists; one fellow was held for being on a DMV line earlier in the same day that Mohammed Atta was there. For what earthly reason were bin Laden relatives allowed to just pack up and go?
6 posted on 11/17/2001 4:11:32 AM PST by karth
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Bombing these madrassas would be akin to slaying the Amelekites in the Old Testament.
7 posted on 11/17/2001 4:14:59 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: karth
I think you saw a different Frontline - the one on Bin Laden. This was on this Thursday and was about Saudi Arabia and their role inspiring international Islamic terrorism.
8 posted on 11/17/2001 4:29:43 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I saw this too and felt very uneasy afterwards in the knowledge that THE problem lies with THE Saudis themselves (the thrust of the thesis of the story). I was wondering if someone would post on this insightful program.

Either THEY will have to clean up their act or we will have to do it for them.........precipitating alot of unforseen consequences.

9 posted on 11/17/2001 5:12:29 AM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: IceGirl2
They can't get "rid" of them, since the country was founded by them. The ruling family in Saudi Arabia is Wahhabi. The founder of the dynasty (circa 1730) was Wahhabi's close confidant and political ally.

It is a very sticky problem for the Saudis. Since the holiest sites for a world religion are located on their soil, and since a particularly puritan form of that religion (Wahhabiism) is widely practiced by their own people, it is not possible to envision any easy path forward.

10 posted on 11/17/2001 5:56:51 AM PST by beckett
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To: beckett
Well, they better think of a way to do it or they will find themselves ruling over those imaginary virgins. If they are so smart, then they should find themselves one real charismatic 'seer' who gets messages straight from Mohammed that tells them to change their ways. To be kind. To forget some of Mohammed's old teachings. I think Mohammed has seen the light! He wants these people to forget about dying for virgins and to try instead to make one woman happy in this world. I don't care if the Saudi princes have to hire an actor--they better find someone real fast to change their people into human beings or they are going to face not only the wrath of their own people but the wrath of our cruise missiles.
11 posted on 11/17/2001 6:29:49 AM PST by IceGirl2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This is exactly what I've been saying since September. The heart and root of the problem is with the Wahabis in Saudi Arabia. But it's unrealistic to think we can just "deal with it." For one thing, the Saudis are our allies, and although they have essentially betrayed us, it's always difficult to break with allies. For another, the Saudis control the world's oil supply. The entire world economy depends on them. For a third thing, they control the Sacred Sites of Islam, and a poorly considered attack on them would stir up the wrath of a billion Muslims, moderates as well as extremists.

What that means, I think, is that the matter has to be handled very carefully and indirectly. We can't overthrow the Royal House of Saud, but we could conceivably intervene if somebody else does. We can't go near the Holy Sites, but we could conceivably divide the country into two parts, one containing the oil, the other containing Mecca and Medina. Like the Vatican, these sites are too important in a religious sense to be combined with worldly power and wealth. As a Roman Catholic, I think it has been a very good thing for the Church that the Popes were separated from their former wealth and power as secular rulers, and what was true for the Vatican would probably also be true for Mecca and Medina. The Holy Sites need to be separated from the immense oil wealth and corrupt political agendas now intertwined with them.

Finally, this Saudi danger is a powerful argument to work toward energy independence ASAP. By blocking any movement, Democrats in congress are performing an extreme disservice to the security of our country.

12 posted on 11/17/2001 6:42:26 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Cicero
Simple invade SA, record the response of the population, anyone not recorded in a town cheering liberation is a Wahabbi( or some crook in with the royal family) and shoot him.
13 posted on 11/17/2001 7:47:43 AM PST by weikel
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Saudi's have two problems; one is that the Muslim sect that is shaking the royal family down and using the money to export their form of Islamism.

The other problem is one to which America should pay special attention. The importing of millions of foreigners not as a part of society but to do their menial tasks and act as a base for discontent and revolution.

14 posted on 11/17/2001 8:31:05 AM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If Saudi Arabia is an ally I'd rather go it alone. These guys suck. Wow, Saudi Arabia and France as allies????? Just end it now.
15 posted on 11/17/2001 11:42:05 AM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: IceGirl2; Oldeconomybuyer
If the Saudi's had any brains they would get rid of these Wahhabis quickly,

But the Saud family came to power thru Wahabi Islam and are promulgating it around the world. They ARE the Wahabi.

I sat up and watched rerun of this show from 2-3 a.m. this morning...well worth the loss of sleep. The transcript is not up at their web site yet, but will be in a few days. Suggest you catch the show or read the transcript.

Frontline and reporter Lowell Bergman have done an excellent job of tracking bin Laden and related issues for years. If you'd like to read transcript of their insightful show on bin Laden and his terrorist henchmen, created after bombing of our embassies in Africa a couple of years ago and updated after 911, go here: (Hunting BinLaden)

The Saudi Time Bomb show is so astonishing and so compelling, I may take the time to format it and post it here when it's available at PBS/frontline later this week. Unless there's someone out there who REALLY has time to do so.

16 posted on 11/19/2001 11:04:48 AM PST by PoisedWoman
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To: OKCSubmariner
BTTT
17 posted on 03/01/2002 9:28:59 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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