Suspect accused of vandalizing Confederate flag in Mizzou dorm

STL Today ^ | 11/21/2001 11:19 AM | ap

[Leesylvanian]

You're wasting your time with this guy. He doesn't understand the numerous quotes he posts. And I say this not as a matter of opinion, but rather a matter of the English language. He totally misconstrues the meaning of SCOTUS decisions, Constitutional passages, etc., then accuses his opponents of lying or ignorance. One of my New Year's resolutions was to quit replying to his tripe, although I broke down this morning when he said on another thread that the Federal government has jurisdiction over all legal issues in the U.S.

[Leesylvanian]

N-S: A couple problems with this, as you yourself said you don't know how reliable this link is. First, referring to "George Parke Custis" doesn't seem right. His name was George Washington Parke Custis, and he was known commonly as "Washy." The slave, even after his freedom, would probably have referred to him as Mr. Custis, as have many former slaves whose testimony I have read.

Secondly, after the whipping, why would the slave have been sent to Hanover, presumably Hanover Court House, which is down near Richmond? Arlington House is about as far north as you can get in Virginia. The trip on horse would have taken 2-3 days, there was nothing special about Hanover (such as being a central location for a prison, etc.), and after the whipping was (allegedly) administered at Arlington, that would have been the end of the incident.

Also, can anyone verify the whereabouts of Lee on the date given? With army records and personal correspondence it should be fairly easy to do.

[Non-Sequitur]

While officially attached to the 2nd Cavalry, Lee spent much of 1858-59 in Virginia attending to family matters. He was at home in October 1859 when assigned to command the troops that captured John Brown. So on dates alone this could be true. However, as I said before I place little credibility on it since I have never seen any indication of similar behavior in Lee. People who do this do not do it on isolated incidents. I merely offered it as a counter to stande waite who will take any information, however outrageous, as fact so long as it fits his twisted idea of the truth.

[bleudevil]

Calm down and read my post again. I said it was unfair that the Confederate flag is associated - to some people - with racist acts, but the reality is that it has been. Maybe it was evil race-baiters that planted the idea in people's minds, but it has been planted. Sorry.

The student in the dorm had no right to vandalize the other student's property, of course. I should have made that clear in my first post.

BTW, not everyone who lives outside the South is obsessed with persecuting Dixie, as you seem to think. I don't get my self-esteem from my ancestors or where I happened to be born, but on what I do today.

[stand watie]

i NEVER said that ALL northern-borns dispise the southland and her people-only the damnyankees DO!

if you'll look through my previous posts, you'll find a really good definition of damnyankee- that i'll stand by.

for dixie liberty,sw

[stand watie]

BTW, the proper charge should be BURGLARY (a felony) & DESTRUCTION of PERSONAL PROPERTY (a felony in most states). this was NOT a college prank!

if the local authorities and the university faculty had an ounce of brains/guts, the creep would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law AND expelled from the university, with an academic/disciplinary report that would assure any other college he appies to KNOWS of his crimes.

for dixie,sw

[Osprey]

"the investigation determined he was not motivated by ``race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation or disability,'' all classes that are federally protected from discrimination. "

Sounds like a "hate crime" to me.

Exactly, What if he burn an African Flag?

[wardaddy]

BTW, not everyone who lives outside the South is obsessed with persecuting Dixie, as you seem to think. I don't get my self-esteem from my ancestors or where I happened to be born, but on what I do today.

Your reply belies an assumption that is erroneous. We Southerners who are provincial in nature and chauvinistic about our shared history do not derive our self esteem from who our ancestors are or where we happen to be born either. A fair number of us do however bristle at those who seek to demean our heritage and our culture in order to sate their own neverending thirst to feel good about themselves. Is that where you get your self esteem from?

[Osprey]

"the investigation determined he was not motivated by ``race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation or disability,'' all classes that are federally protected from discrimination. "

Sounds like a "hate crime" to me.

Exactly, What if he destroyed an African Flag?

He would be locked up faster than you could whistle Dixie!

[D J White]

I've never violently violated the Constitution. What are you talking about?

I never said you did. I said that there are people who agree with you and are willing to violate the Constitution to achieve their agendas. If one does not like a provision of the Constitution, the choices are either (1) work to change it within the bounds of the constitution, or (2) subvert the constitution. The majority of northerners chose the latter. Regardless of the issue which led northerners to abandon the Constitution, those who opposed them deserve our respect and thanks. Those who gave up on democracy and the Constitution deserve the sympathy and disapproval of citizens of a republic, or the quaking submission of subjects of an empire. Depends on how one views oneself.

Respectfully

D J White

[#3Fan]

I never said you did. I said that there are people who agree with you and are willing to violate the Constitution to achieve their agendas.

Because Americans are not Germans. The Germans stood by and let 6 million be executed because it was legal. The Radical Republicans made a stand against slavery even though it was legal and thank God. I don't want to be like the Germans.

If one does not like a provision of the Constitution, the choices are either (1) work to change it within the bounds of the constitution, or (2) subvert the constitution. The majority of northerners chose the latter.

How did a "majority" of Northerners subvert the Constitution? The Radical Republicans certainly weren't a majority. The Southern states certainly subverted the Constitution by violating Articles I, III, IV.

Regardless of the issue which led northerners to abandon the Constitution, those who opposed them deserve our respect and thanks.

How did the Northerners abandon the Constitution?

Those who gave up on democracy and the Constitution deserve the sympathy and disapproval of citizens of a republic, or the quaking submission of subjects of an empire. Depends on how one views oneself.

I would say that the southern secessionists fit that bill. Slavery isn't democracy in the least. A very small minority in the South had the right to vote. Slavery is the ultimate despotism.