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To: nopardons
Actualy I didn't state that the word was Celtic in origin.

The word Kirk is the name for church. It is a (celtic)phonetical representation of the word church.('ch' has a 'k' sound.. kinda.) The interpretation you speak of (that being pagan) is not Scottish at all, rather the reverse. etymologicaly speaking it is a chicken egg thing, Kirk = Church. The name was also atributed to the godess Circe who was supposedly a godess of truth and is represented by a circle.

Kirk however does represent pretty much all churches. Now, "The Kirk" is a different matter all together. That is the Church of Scotland. The general use of the term "The Kirk" is pretty much a slang term. For a while there where no other churches alowed to opperate in Scottland, so all Kirk's were Presbyterian. Another Chicken/Egg thing.

Circe Was indeed all that you say insofar as Homer's Odesy is concerned. She was an enchantress and daughter of Hellios. She had a son with Odysseus. (By the way, all of you who think Potter is bad, protect your kids from anything written by Homer... Odysseus worked with Hermes to counter Circe's spells.)As far as her being considered the goddess of truth, that came from a pagan site and I can't find anything to substantiate that. Some wierdo thinks she is anyhow. I appologize for not looking into that farther.

The point of the post is pretty strait forward though, The word Church comes from Circe.
I will also add the word 'Religion' is just as bad:Webster's Collegiate Dictionary traces the word back to an old Latin word religio meaning "taboo, restraint." A deeper study discovers the word comes from the two words re and ligare. Re is a prefix meaning "return," and ligare means "to bind;" in other words, "return to bondage."

So, Have fun going to Circe in order to return to bondage!

493 posted on 11/28/2001 7:47:47 AM PST by Outlaw76
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To: Outlaw76
Kirk however does represent pretty much all churches.

So what gives with James T. Kirk
And McCoy and Montgomery Scott

Coincidence?

495 posted on 11/28/2001 8:58:08 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Outlaw76
That's one thing that's WRONG / DANGEROUS with looking up something on the net. There are MANY sites, that have erronous / utterly false info, and people believe it. If you need refferences for Circe, or any other ancient name / myth, I can supply a book list. : - )

Circe was NEVER the " goddess of truth " in ANY ancient culture !

Oh, and the PICTS , who are the ancesters of most Scots, weren't Celts. Ergo, saying that K = ch in the Celtic language, doesn't work.

501 posted on 11/28/2001 12:51:29 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Outlaw76
But of course, you should only put this much effort into word rooting to kill time, and never to prove a real point. Since it almost always gets to Latin eventually, and the Romans had a very odd mind set that pretty much viewed everything as how it related to the military and power you can get some wierd ideas going. For instance:
Host is the Latin word for enemy
Impediment comes from the Latin impedus which literally translates as "in front of (your) feet ", but the word itself was used to mean luggage or supplies.

As for religion and that word's relationship to bondage, from a militaristic standpoint it's quite clear. Disregarding for the moment all the stuff about salvation and souls and so forth what is a religion? Well it's a collection of rules and moral guideline. Rules that are not to be broken, rules that keep you from doing stuff, rules that "bind" your actions (if you will). Of course this is held up by the fact that the word "law" stems from "legal" which itself comes from that same bondage root. To a freewheeling always conquering military society all rules, whether from man or god (lowercase because I'm using the concept of all gods not The Entity, I try so hard not to offend) are restricting and binding.

As for Circe and church I'm not buying it. Here's from the Websters site: [Middle English chirche, from Old English cirice, ultimately from Medieval Greek krikon, from Late Greek kriakon (dma), the Lord's (house), neuter of Greek kriakos, of the lord, from krios, lord. See keu- in Indo-European Roots.]
Looks like it pretty much skipped Rome. Which makes sense, church has a very British Isle fondness for consenants and a Greek love of the k-r (r-k in this instance) combo.

506 posted on 11/28/2001 1:49:57 PM PST by discostu
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