Posted on 11/27/2001 8:56:31 PM PST by sourcery
Whereas Tolkein had to work hard to make Aragorn a worthy mate for the Lady Arwen.
But then, in that world, worthiness was not always determined by heroic deeds. Ask Eowyn.
Shalom.
You brought me out of my self-imposed lurking-mode with THAT one!
Hahaha!
I hope you're wearing your flame-resistant undies today...
Regards,
Ohhhhh!!!! I couldn't agree more. I am a female who has been in love with LOTR's for years and years, and everytime I read it I love it all the more. I can't wait to see the movie. I'll probably be reported as "missing" by some of my family, as I "move in" at the local theatre, LOL!!! Yes, if anyone has a LOTR bump list, add me too. And by the way:
SAMWISE FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, my FRiend, I didn't say I agreed with it, I was just trying to figger out HollyWeird's motives.
Shalom...MUD
LOL...MUD
Oh honey, just wait til you meet up with the 'Lady of the Golden Wood', Galadriel. You want power, you got it!!
I wasn't much interested in these books even 10 years ago when Sir SuziQ read them to our two oldest boys, but we're now reading them to our two younger kids (13 and 11) and I am enjoying them immensely. Tolkien writes so beautifully that it is a pleasure to read aloud. We have finished 'Fellowship' and had started 'Two Towers', but decided to backtrack and read 'The Silmarillion' to get the back story of Middle Earth and the lives of the Elves and Men. I'm not sure if some of it in icluded in the movie, or not, but just in case.... We can't wait for the movie, either!
Aragorn does not have one of the Rings. The Rings are not magical, they are powerful. There is a huge difference. At one point Aragorn does use a Palantir. We might call that magic but Tolkein never does. The Palantir is powerful, but it is not presented as magical.
The men do not posess magic. But the age of the magicians is drawing to a close and the age of men is beginning precisely because the men do not posess magic. They posess something much more.
That is a huge part of what the Trilogy is about.
Shalom.
Just trying to have a little fun. Someone handed me this crank, and you know the saying:
"If all you have is a crank, the entire world starts to look like a hurdy gurdy." :^)
It is a thrilling story to be sure, but one of the key proofs that the action isn't the point is the very long resolution. There are many loose ends that actually have more to do with the plot of the story than the action, and Tolkein carefully sews them all up. This is in sharp contrast to most stories where the big battle happens and it's over - leaving you with lots of questions. Just one more reason why LOTR is head and shoulders over most of what you read today.
Shalom.
Why does everybody ignore the fantastic power of Goldberry, the River's Daughter?
Shalom.
doesn't Aragorn have one of the Rings?
Not to my knowledge.
The rings are magical.
Not in today's sense or maybe the Harry Potter sense
Oh, I think they are quite magical. However, these are the three elven rings that the elves of Eregion made, Nenya, Narya, and Vilya. Vilya was used to cause the flood at the river Bruinen when Frodo was in trouble at the ford, Galadriel used Nenya to create her barrier that surrounded Lothlorien, seen in Fellowship. Gandalf had Narya, which he used to fire the hearts and mind of the enemies of Sauron. Each of these rings are shown explicitly at the end of book 4 being worn by their owners. They were subject to the will of Sauron, IF he were to regain the One Ring. It could be said that Narya is the ring of Fire, Nenya is the Ring of Air, and Vilya is the ring of Water, depending on what you read into Tolkeins later works.
The seven rings of the Dwarves are not featured in the books, but the nine rings of the humans perverted the humans who became the Ringwraiths. Sauron has the Nine and the Seven when the Fellowship starts.
And, of course, the group depends on Sting's magic throughout the epic, as well as the magic of the Phial of Galadriel. There is also Gandalf's sorcery which features very prominently during the first book. Certainly sorcery has a decent sized part of Lord of the Rings.
They are not in the sense that The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is Christian, but they are in the sense that a Christian worldview and morality pervades them. Consider this one (badly quoted) exchange.
Bilbo: They should have killed him. He doesn't deserve to live.
Gandalf: And there are many who are dead who deserve life. Can you give it to them? No? Then don't be so quick to take life away. Gollum may yet have a part to play in this story.
Shalom.
Men do not use magic. Gandalf is not a man. Elves and orcs are not men. Sauron may be a man, that part wasn't clear, but I think he was of the same race as Gandalf.
And, again, the rings are powerful, not magical. There is a huge difference. Galadriel didn't like the term magic because, to her, it was nothing unusual. It was just life as normal for elves. It was only magical to the men and hobbits because they could not do it.
Shalom.
Im scared for my childrens safety. I heard that at a pre-screening in Hollywood, all of the viewers were turned into newts during the wizards duel and then Satan put all the newts in a bucket and ran off with them!
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