The group including EWTN and The Wanderer, are considered by most not involved in this dispute to be among the most 'conservative' Catholics, using ordinary definitions. Clearly the 'traditionalists' are the other group. As I said, I am not up to speed on most of this argument, and am not prepared to discuss it intelligently. I was basically giving a heads-up to non-Catholic Freepers, and those who are Catholic, but less informed than I am as to what this was about, without using overly tendentious terminology. If you consider that I failed in this, my apologies.