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School apologizes for burning New Testament
Jersualem Post ^ | December 25, 2001 | Shoshana Kordova

Posted on 12/24/2001 4:49:53 PM PST by dlt

BEIT SHEMESH (December 25) - The organization that administers Orot school in Beit Shemesh issued an apology yesterday for publicly burning a copy of the New Testament a student received from Christian missionaries.

"Everybody knows we made a mistake," said Jordana Klein, spokeswoman for Sha'alei Torah. "We wouldn't do it again. We don't think it's the right thing to do."

The book-burning took place in the school courtyard the week before Hanukka, after a teacher in the boys' school found that one of his sixth-grade students had brought in a Hebrew copy of the New Testament.

The student received it from local missionaries who, according to Klein, have been active in proselytizing Beit Shemesh children.

"The teacher said: 'God sent it and He gave us the privilege, and we'll be able to burn the New Testament," said Ariel Lesnick, 11, who is in the class.

The teacher consulted with the principal, Rabbi Yair Bachar, said Klein. After receiving approval, the teacher - whose name Klein refused to divulge - took his class outside.

Then, Lesnick said, "We took a few sticks and we burnt it." The teacher emphasized that the book-burning was an anti-missionary activity and not an anti-Christian one, Lesnick said.

After receiving calls from angry parents, Bachar reconsidered the decision, which Klein described as "too hasty." He consulted rabbinic authorities on the issue and decided to appoint Rabbi David Spector - rabbi of the Givat Sharet neighborhood of Beit Shemesh - as a permanent rabbinic decision-maker for the school.

Spector ruled that missionary material should be burned, but it is the sole responsibility of the owner to burn it and the burning should take place in private.

"It was appropriate to burn the New Testament in private," wrote Spector in his ruling. He cited traditional and modern rabbis, including Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, who wrote that he had burned missionary texts, which he called "books of incitement and brainwashing." Such burning is permissible even if the texts include the name of God, Spector said.

The teacher said that if missionary material were found in the school again, it would be thrown into the garbage rather than publicly burned, said Lesnick.

The Education Ministry was not aware of the incident, said spokeswoman Orit Reuveni.

"In principle, the ministry condemns book-burning as an educational act," she said. "We are not aware of this incident, but we will investigate the matter in depth."

Wayne Firestone, director of the Anti-Defamation League here, said the apology is a positive reaction to the school's "inappropriate" decision.

"The issue of conversion obviously is a sensitive one, and school officials are entitled to make requirements to try to protect their students from inappropriate materials entering the school," he said.

"At the same time, the symbolic and actual imagery of burning any books is really an inappropriate reaction to any offensive material. We're encouraged to hear that the school has issued an apology, and we hope that from the apology, they can send a better message to their own students about tolerance of other religions."

Since the burning, Bachar has addressed teachers, parents, and students - particularly the sixth-grade class - about the issue. He emphasized that the school is not against Christians but against Christian attempts to convert Jews, said Klein. The school is also planning programs to increase tolerance, she said.

The student who brought the New Testament in is not the only one missionaries have targeted. After the book-burning, one of the other students in the class said missionaries came to his home and hung a crucifix behind the mezuza, said Lesnick. The family told the missionary they didn't want the crucifix and returned it, he said.

"We obviously have a missionary problem," said Klein. "We weren't even aware of how big a problem it is in our school."

The students that missionaries approach are generally among the native Israelis and immigrants who make up about 40 percent of the student body and tend to live in old Beit Shemesh, said Klein. That section is poorer than the newer section populated mostly by Anglos, who comprise 60 percent of the student body.

The Anglo-Israeli divide may have contributed to a difference in the approach to burning the New Testament. Lesnick, whose family immigrated from New Jersey four years ago, saw that distinction among the boys in his class. "The Israelis thought it was the right thing to do, but for the Americans, you're used to seeing [non-Jews] every day, and you don't do that to somebody that's just a little different than you," he said.

His father, Marc, also noted the difference nationality may have made in the decision. The teacher, he said, is an Israeli who has never left the country. But as an American, he said, "This is not the type of education I want my kids to have. In America, they let you practice your religion, you let them practice their religion, and you kind of coexist."

Book-burning may also invoke different images for Anglos than for Israelis. "The idea of burning in general in our minds has to do with Kristallnacht and the KKK and so on," he said.

But once he brought the issue to the attention of the school, said Marc Lesnick, it "very quickly took the matter really seriously and dealt with it properly afterward."

Lesnick found out about the burning when Ariel came home from school. "My son got home from school that night, and he actually said to me, 'Dad, you know what we did today? Well, we burned the New Testament.' I said, 'You're joking,'" said Lesnick.

He discussed it with the teacher, and a few days later Bachar came to his home to talk about the incident. Lesnick is glad that they have told him they would "definitely not do this again."

Rev. Ray Lockhart, director of the Jerusalem-based Israel Trust of the Anglican Church, said burning the New Testament so publicly was "going over the top somewhat." Lockhart, whose organization focuses on ministry to the Jews, added that it's preferable to get a signed statement from parents before giving Christian scriptures to a minor.

"Clearly no Jewish person would want to see the Tanah being burnt, and would feel that whoever did it, it was an affront to their beliefs," he said.

But the school's apology, said Lockhart, mitigates the offense. "I think it shows that it's sometimes good to have second thoughts, and to recognize that we can all make mistakes in the way we make a response off the cuff without really thinking through all the implications."


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To: LarryLied, Sabramerican
I wouldn't dismiss it simply as a "stupid thing". While that was really stupid to do in terms of relationship with the Christians, the sentiment, I think, is genuine.

Consider this

Appreciates piece on Chanukah


POSTED: Dec. 21, 2001 4:51 p.m.

Thanks for the article, "WNC's small Jewish community to celebrate festival of lights," (AC-T, Dec. 8) about Chanukah. Thanks so much for taking time out to highlight this important holiday for our Jewish community. Perhaps, in the future, you might want to re-word dates when talking about a Jewish event. The Maccabee revolt happened in 165 B.C.E. (Before Common Era) to those it matters most to; saying 165 B.C. (Before Christ) is a bit of a smack in the face.

Jeremy Russom,

Asheville

101 posted on 12/25/2001 9:02:58 AM PST by madrussian
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
...and that agenda would be? I was shocked. I tell you SHOCKED, to learn that Jewish teachers in Israel would actually burn the New Testament in front of their students...

Teachers? Plural? Are you ready to present us with another case where this has happened? I thought so. There's your agenda.

102 posted on 12/25/2001 9:20:33 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: ozzymandus
said exactly what I meant, and the Jews didn't throw the Bible in the garbage, they burned it, in front of a class of children. Don't deny it.

Uh. I made a hypothetical case. You replied to it as if my hypothetical case was about burning the new testament. Read again.

103 posted on 12/25/2001 9:21:49 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: SickOfItAll
Are you serious, I don't have anything against Jews but that statement is ridiculous.

Oh, right. I forgot. Throughout history Jews didn't rest, but converted anyone and everyone they could find to Judaism. /sarcasm.

104 posted on 12/25/2001 9:23:22 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: LarryLied
As I resident of Palm Beach County, Florida, I found the statement amusing too.

Democrats using eldrely Jews for their own causes has nothing to do with Judaism the religion. But you already knew that.

105 posted on 12/25/2001 9:24:07 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: SickOfItAll
No, I agree, that would never happen, I don't think. I wasn't referring to that.

Then you agree that your post was out of context.

106 posted on 12/25/2001 9:26:04 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
If you are referring to these particular Jews, how do you intend to collect? If you are referring to Jews as a group, I think they paid that price, if you will, in Germany, in the 1940's.

Why 1940's? What about everything else before that? The problem with holocaust is that people spend so much time on it, that it basically wipes any history that Jews had prior to that.

107 posted on 12/25/2001 9:27:47 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: madrussian
What's wrong with that? They taught us in college the same thing.. That before current era might be used instead of before christ..
108 posted on 12/25/2001 9:30:46 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
Is there a difference between "might be" and "must be"?

Thanks for confirming how you sympathize with the de-Christionizing forces in America.

109 posted on 12/25/2001 9:33:50 AM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
Is there a difference between "might be" and "must be"?

My english might be a little rusty. But I believe that "might" means that something is optional, and "must" is something that's required. Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks for confirming how you sympathize with the de-Christionizing forces in America.

Oh I see. So now I am getting blamed for something that a Christian teacher taught me in college? Yay, blame the Jews.

110 posted on 12/25/2001 9:40:28 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
Are you being disenginuous, again?

The "must be" sentiment is in the letter to which you replied "what's wrong with might be?"

111 posted on 12/25/2001 9:43:50 AM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian;brooklyn
The BC/BCE thing is really about being politically correct, which I think has gotten out of hand. If we refer to a Muslim event, should we refer to Muslim calendar notations? If we refer to a Chinese event, should we refer to the Chinese calendar notations?

I vigorously support freedom of regligion and strong separation of church and state, but "BC" is the traditional American way of dating events when we talk about history in our country. Where does it stop, if we try to accommodate every ethnic group which makes up our country?

112 posted on 12/25/2001 9:49:00 AM PST by dlt
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To: madrussian
The "must be" sentiment is in the letter to which you replied "what's wrong with might be?"

Since you have trouble quoting, I'll do it for you:

What's wrong with that? They taught us in college the same thing.. That before current era might be used instead of before christ..

And since you have trouble comprehending I'll explain it to you to. I expressed my lack of surprise at your post, because the CE/BCE business is not specific to Jews or whatever - it was even taught to me in college ( I went to a state univ of NY @ Albany) by a non Jew in a non religious class. That if we come across CE/BCE, it means this n that. I am not sure why you are trying to make more of it then it is... Misquoting me and etc, and I am sure it would be a lot of fun to speculate as to why... But I guess I am not a fun loving guy, like you are. I'll leave all the speculating to you and your friends.

113 posted on 12/25/2001 9:49:04 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
The letter said:

The Maccabee revolt happened in 165 B.C.E. (Before Common Era) to those it matters most to; saying 165 B.C. (Before Christ) is a bit of a smack in the face.

You wrote:

What's wrong with that?

And then some irrelevant stuff about how they can be interchanged.

Talk about playing dumb. Or are you playing, at all?

114 posted on 12/25/2001 10:00:20 AM PST by madrussian
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To: dlt
The BC/BCE thing is really about being politically correct, which I think has gotten out of hand. If we refer to a Muslim event, should we refer to Muslim calendar notations? If we refer to a Chinese event, should we refer to the Chinese calendar notations?

Of course not. But, apparently, any reference to Jesus Christ is insulting to many Jews. Can't allow that, can we?

115 posted on 12/25/2001 10:02:15 AM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
What's wrong with that? And then some irrelevant stuff about how they can be interchanged.

I was referring to the whole BC/BCE concept. What's more I even mentioned that it was taught to me in college, just so you would know that I wasn't discussing this _particular_ case.

116 posted on 12/25/2001 10:24:02 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: madrussian
The BC/BCE thing is really about being politically correct, which I think has gotten out of hand. If we refer to a Muslim event, should we refer to Muslim calendar notations? If we refer to a Chinese event, should we refer to the Chinese calendar notations?

Of course not. But, apparently, any reference to Jesus Christ is insulting to many Jews. Can't allow that, can we?

Huh? So Jews are the sole reason that CE/BCE thing came about? It wasn't the atheists? Muslims? Hindus? Budhists? etc.etc.etc. Right away its Jews.. Yay, blame the Jews! Bei zhidov, spasai Rossiu?

117 posted on 12/25/2001 10:25:41 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
I was referring to the whole BC/BCE concept.

If you were refering to the concept, you certainly didn't spend any effort to mention that you weren't refering to the letter when you wrote "What's wrong with that?", to which you responded.

118 posted on 12/25/2001 10:29:25 AM PST by madrussian
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To: BrooklynGOP
Huh? So Jews are the sole reason that CE/BCE thing came about? It wasn't the atheists? Muslims? Hindus? Budhists?

Now you are grasping.

etc.etc.etc. Right away its Jews.. Yay, blame the Jews! Bei zhidov, spasai Rossiu?

Whine, whine, whine.

119 posted on 12/25/2001 10:31:08 AM PST by madrussian
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To: madrussian
Hmmmm... Seems like we are using BCE/CE and you didn't even know about it (blame the Jews!!!):

The Common Era Choice Explained

The reason that the timeline uses the common era dating system is simple, it's accurate.

For those who are not sure what CE and BCE means, it's simple. BCE stands for Before Common Era, which is every year before the year 0. After the year 0 is the Common Era, or CE.

I know many are saying "before 0 is BC, and after 0 is AD". But that is actually wrong, the origin of Common Era is not a plot to take Christ out of the calendar, but is really a way to keep him in. The BC/AD system came into play before the actual date of Christ's birth was known. Due to the fact that Jesus was not born in the year 0, as previously thought there were two options. Change what year we were in at the time of discovery by 6 years, or create the Common Era system.

Because AD is "the year of our lord", that would make 1 AD, actually 5 years before the year 0. So as I type this it is the year 2000 CE, or 2006 AD.

I opted for the CE dating system because if I went with AD things that happened recently would be marked in the wrong year. Such as Adolf Hiler would have been in poer from 1941-1951 AD, or Columbus would have crossed the Atlantic in 1498 AD. I felt this would have only made the timeline confusing and appear erroneous.
120 posted on 12/25/2001 10:31:18 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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