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To: OWK

Yes, exactly.. "No force, no fraud"

But, like I said.. if they can get together and seek a remedy when you have not initiated force or fraud against them.. IMO, that ammounts to controlling your behavior.

Like if me, CJ and Kevin got together and sued you for smoking weed in your garage.. You didn't hurt us, you didn't defraud us.. But we are going to punish you anyway.

That's a clear cut violation of Libertarian ideology..

Unless you say that it's a civil proceeding and not an arm of Government acting premptively to alter your behavior..

1,254 posted on 01/01/2002 8:30:00 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
Like if me, CJ and Kevin got together and sued you for smoking weed in your garage.. You didn't hurt us, you didn't defraud us.. But we are going to punish you anyway.

You, CJ and Kevin have to prove that you were harmed.

When a person initiates force the victim and his or her agent (police or Samaritan) may exercise their highest moral right -- the right of self-defense and physical survival. And that ought to be all that a person confronts another person unless invited to associate with another person. Too many busybodies (basically harmless unless the busybody is one of the parasitical elite) telling other people how to live their lives.

The new paradigm proposes to not live by the popular code of do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Instead, leave people alone to create their lives as they see fit.

Principle One: No person, group of persons, or government may initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual.

Principle Two: Force may be morally and legally used only in self-defense against those who violate Principle One.

Principle Three: No exceptions shall be allowed for Principle One and Two.

Principle One is first a law. For every instance that a person has force initiated against them there is a loss to that person. Only the person/victim knows the true value of their loss. The law underlying Principle One is as true as physics law.

All a person need be concerned with is whether he or she has been the victim and who violated Principle One. Then prove that to a jury.

Thus the ultimate purpose of the jury is to decide if harm has been done to the person claiming to be a victim and to what extent the person has been harmed. All jurors will be informed that they have the option of jury nullification. Objective law; The Point Law  nullifies agenda law and ego law.

1,256 posted on 01/01/2002 8:33:31 PM PST by Zon
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