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To: billbears
This is going to be very messy, for Republicans in particular. There are all kinds of skeletons here--which unfortunately will come to light. Even more so now that the "missing documents" piece has been added. Since "ooops, missing docs" has been going on since the first document was composed, one would think they would have learned something. Very simply, while Enron contributed to both parties, they were in bed with all the Repub big guns--W flew on the Enron plane multiple times, Cheney had those folks in on numerous occasions while formulating "energy policy", and Armey was on the Banking and Finance committee voting to give Enron free reign in a number of areas while his wife sat on the Enron board....going to be messy, very messy. And you would've hope that they would've been honest and not gotten involved with Clintonian games of missing docs...
34 posted on 01/10/2002 11:44:41 AM PST by winallcosts
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To: winallcosts
Your comment regarding the Republicans being involved in disappearing documents at Arthur Anderson is rich. AA has made documents disappear before in an unrelated case in CT years ago. Guess that was the Republicans fault too.
50 posted on 01/10/2002 11:53:02 AM PST by Peach
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To: winallcosts
This is going to be very messy, for Republicans in particular.

Not if Bush seizes the high ground. I would, if I were Bush, on this one act of documentary malfeasance alone, order all of the directors of Enron held in custody, immediately, pending further investigation. Starting with that one guy who was his 'friend'.

60 posted on 01/10/2002 11:55:42 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: winallcosts
and Armey was on the Banking and Finance committee voting to give Enron free reign in a number of areas while his wife sat on the Enron board....

Dick Armey's wife was never on the Enron board.

Perhaps you're thinking of Phil Gramm, but, hey, when you've got a good smear going, who the hell cares if you get the names right!

BTW, Ron Brown's Commerce Department was responsible for significant business directed towards Enron from an Indian power plant (Brown greased the skids for the purchase) and Clinton waived some restrictions for Enron after three games of golf with Ken Lay.

All of the partnerships were formed during the Clinton administration. If these are found to be illegal, one must wonder what Clinton's SEC was doing during the greatest period of Enron growth.

61 posted on 01/10/2002 11:56:03 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: winallcosts
Your facts are not correct.
92 posted on 01/10/2002 12:03:53 PM PST by maica
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To: winallcosts
In 1993, Enron was ranked #483 on the Fortune 500.

In 2000, Enron was ranked # 7 on the Fortune 500.

Question.

1) Who was President during 1993-2000?


Did you mention... Quid pro Quo... by any chance?

Clinton-Gore sales team eased Enron's path to success
That's a stretch; but look at their 1994 sales team - Clinton, Gore and the late Ron Brown - a trio unlimited and uncontrolled in their cunning and greed.

In what seems to be eons ago, before Gov. Bill Clinton became president, the late, much loved and little lamented Ron Brown was Clinton's good friend and a power broker in the National Democratic Party. Ron Brown had a friend, a congressman from Houston, the late Mickey Leland, who died in 1989. Until his passing, Leland was a shining light in the Congressional Black Caucus and a dedicated socialist, who was one of the Institute for Policy Studies' delights.

From 1984, when Enron was conceived, Brown and Leland were there snapping up unconsidered trifles of money for use in their campaigns against the free market. Mickey was able to ease a lot of Enron's early problems through the Houston City Council by playing his "equal opportunity card." He had also become an African expert who initially took the Enron message to that continent, a chore that was taken on by Ron Brown, Clinton's secretary of commerce, before the latter met his untimely death in a highly controversial plane crash in Croatia. (Untimely, because had Secretary Brown lived, he would have faced multiple criminal indictments that could have precipitated an even earlier fall for Bill Clinton and his gang.)

Now we get to that old puzzle about chickens and eggs, and what came first! Ron Brown, Al Gore and Bill Clinton introduced Enron to market managers in Russia, China, Indonesia and India. In India, Enron quickly became involved in one of that country's most massive corruption investigations, contracts were canceled and Enron was out.

On the other hand, Enron introduced the Clinton team to Lippo Industries and thence to China's People's Liberation Army (a wonderful source of political cash), to John Huang, another good provider and to nameless, numberless Arabs who never arrived with empty pockets. If we look at a list of those attending coffee klatches at the White House, we can learn why a storm of doubtful deals enabled Enron to quickly control one-quarter of the world's electricity and natural gas. But, that wasn't enough. The ever-so-greedy Dumpty moved in to water deals in Massachusetts and Europe, paper mills in Canada, gas pipe lines throughout the world, fiber optics, television, mutual funds and information gathering. In turn, that led to risk analysis, a name that those clever Texans quickly changed to "reward realization!"

The rewards were good! Enron, with sales assistance from Tony Lake, then Clinton's national security adviser, persuaded the impoverished, war-torn country of Mozambique to sign a $770 million electric power contract. Mozambique signed because Tony's salesmanship was persuasive. If the Mozambicans didn't sign, he indicated that their congressionally approved $44 million U.S. aid payment would never be made.

And there was the Croatian caper. In the days when Franjo Tudjman was Croatia's dictator and pretending to be both a reformed communist and best friend of America in the Balkans, poor Franjo had a problem. He and some of his very best friends were wanted as war criminals by the Hague's International Court of Justice. Enron wanted a power contract with Croatia. Enron offered a deal to Tudjman. Sign up with us and we will use our gang in Washington to make sure you and your friends don't go to jail.

Tudjman signed. Enron made a heap of money. Nobody went to jail. Everyone was happy - until Tudjman died of cancer. Then the lid was off, his Croatian Democratic Union was defeated and the new boys in power in Zagreb could not believe how much of their budget went to pay the electricity bills from Enron.

Somebody - probably another Dr. Spock child eager to tell on his peers - prattled! Under quiet pressure from the Croats, another deal was made and a couple of guys were charged as war criminals. Electricity costs went down (but not to the consumers) and as a part of the deal nobody talked, except about the wonderful vacations that they were enjoying in the Caribbean.

This could be called a "cautionary tale." There are two cautions. The first: Beware of the Spock babies now that they are nearing retirement and losing whatever sense they had. The second: Investigators all, beware, as you look into the depths and shallows of Enron you may, if you are truly unlucky, find the truth. And, if you do, these truths won't make you free, just well informed.


120 posted on 01/10/2002 12:14:12 PM PST by deport
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To: winallcosts
Messy? Why? Based on what? Other than a Company going belly-up, I don't even see a story here. I don't remember any investigation when Lucent stock plummeted from $75 to $5 a share last year. So far noone has simply explained why ANY politicians have anything to fear from this. Much ado about nothing.
166 posted on 01/10/2002 12:39:39 PM PST by plain talk
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To: winallcosts
Armey fell on the sword really fast after this broke. Can't be a good sign.
233 posted on 01/10/2002 2:14:56 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: winallcosts
This is going to be very messy, for Republicans in particular. There are all kinds of skeletons here--which unfortunately will come to light. Even more so now that the "missing documents" piece has been added. Since "ooops, missing docs" has been going on since the first document was composed, one would think they would have learned something. Very simply, while Enron contributed to both parties, they were in bed with all the Repub big guns--W flew on the Enron plane multiple times, Cheney had those folks in on numerous occasions while formulating "energy policy", and Armey was on the Banking and Finance committee voting to give Enron free reign in a number of areas while his wife sat on the Enron board....going to be messy, very messy. And you would've hope that they would've been honest and not gotten involved with Clintonian games of missing docs...

Ya know I wasn't a huge Bush supporter going back about a year ago, but the more BS accusations -- like yours -- I read about the guy over the past year the more I like him. God forbid if we must hold our president's feet to the fire, that we must wade through posts like this.

BTW, that's free rein -- you meant to say.

265 posted on 01/10/2002 6:52:47 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: winallcosts
winallcosts - member since December 27th, 2001

A loser not worth a cent. :)

270 posted on 01/10/2002 9:37:54 PM PST by anymouse
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