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Anarchic Order
Spintech Magazine ^ | January 4, 2002 | Paul Hein, M.D.

Posted on 01/14/2002 6:38:35 AM PST by SteamshipTime

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To: ctdonath2
I might be for decentralized government if I thought it would stay decentralized, just as I could be for limited government if I thought it would stay limited. The problem is that it doesn't. It never does. It centralizes and grabs more power. The logical conclusion is a single world government. And you can see clearly that we are heading in exactly that direction.

The natural human order is anarchistic, as the author of this article points out quite eloquently. Government is a perversion of natural community, which is a consensual ad-hoc kind of thing. It is increasingly taking over the family as well, replacing father and mother with courts and CPS "professionals".

Government has no limits. That is the problem.

41 posted on 01/14/2002 10:11:43 AM PST by Architect
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To: BlackbirdSST
How much would it cost them to hire their own private investigator to do the job? Probably less than the taxpayers put out for the bogus 100,000 more cops on the streets.

So only those with enough money to hire a PI can expect justice?

42 posted on 01/14/2002 10:12:41 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Architect
I might be for decentralized government if I thought it would stay decentralized, just as I could be for limited government if I thought it would stay limited. The problem is that it doesn't.

I might be for anarchy if I though people would follow the Golden Rule. The problem is they don't.

43 posted on 01/14/2002 10:15:28 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Architect
The natural human order is anarchistic

Sure, the "natural order" is to not have government...or computers, or electricity, or cars, or modern medicine, or indoor pluming, or...

Anarchism only works in very small, mostly isolated groups. The larger the society, the more easily people can abuse/rob/kill others and get away with it.

44 posted on 01/14/2002 10:22:47 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: cdwright
Good summary.
47 posted on 01/14/2002 10:26:58 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: cdwright
Then you should have little trouble rebutting his premises.
48 posted on 01/14/2002 10:35:31 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: Architect
How often are people "found dead" in shopping malls? Almost never. Unlike governments, private citizens take care of their property. What's more, if it did happen, you can be damned sure that the owners would want to get the perp. This kind of thing could be bad for business, don't you know?

Take another toke 'bro, you ain't high enough yet. Your solution is perfect in a society that does not breed contempt, jealousy, and greed. Your societal description is reflective of a StarTrek episode. It would take many generations of re-programming of mental processes to get to the utopia that you seek. But, you will never be able to simply throw some cultural switch and "whango-bango" everybody is "thinking ourside the box". Your utopian dreams are, at best, unattainable, and at worst, communism.

Semper Fi

49 posted on 01/14/2002 10:36:23 AM PST by Trident/Delta
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To: cdwright
Affirming a contradiction is insanity.

Anything may be asserted.

50 posted on 01/14/2002 10:36:43 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: cdwright
How about this one: Purposeful inaction.

C'mon cdwright. Make us proud.

51 posted on 01/14/2002 10:38:17 AM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: Architect
No, I am not. But mystery murders almost always involved public property to one degree or another.

ONLY if you consider the Police Department to be "public property". DoJ stats say that 73% of violent crime occurs in the home with 86% associated with the family or families that reside there. Get some REAL facts witll you, not something that is a mixture of the "legalize pot" and the Harry Browne Libratarian diatribe.

Semper Fi

52 posted on 01/14/2002 10:40:08 AM PST by Trident/Delta
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To: ctdonath2
I might be for anarchy if I though people would follow the Golden Rule. The problem is they don't.

Government is, by definition, monopoly power. Why do you think government would live by the Golden Rule when you think individual people would not?

Since government is founded on the idea that theft (AKA taxes) is acceptable, government is far less likely to obey the Golden Rule than individuals are.

53 posted on 01/14/2002 10:43:06 AM PST by Architect
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I would also assume that mall owners would have insurance against this kind of thing, as a matter of course. Which would spread the cost around among all mall owners

Whoa hoss, you can't have it both ways. Insurance, in an "outside the box" anarchic society???? Perish and forbid. You should carefully frame your utopia, p[ublish it then come back and frame your arguements against your baseline, you are WAYYYYY out there in this comparison to anarchy.

Semper Reality

54 posted on 01/14/2002 10:43:09 AM PST by Trident/Delta
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To: Trident/Delta
DoJ stats say that 73% of violent crime occurs in the home with 86% associated with the family or families that reside there.

And what percentage of these are mysteries with the victim unidentified, do you think? I would say that it is approximately zero. Learn to read instead insulting me and quoting statistics which have nothing to do with the issue at hand.

55 posted on 01/14/2002 10:46:20 AM PST by Architect
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To: Trident/Delta
Insurance, in an "outside the box" anarchic society????

Wow, you really do live inside the box, if you think that it is impossible to have insurance without government.

57 posted on 01/14/2002 10:49:32 AM PST by Architect
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To: Architect
Well bunkie, you are the one that started that particular reference. If you have no realistic anecdotal references to substantiate your stand, then perhaps your stand is in error?

After reading your and BlackbirdSST's posting, all I see is a camoflauged effort to play the same old libratarian saw but with a prettier wrapper. If this is so right, so pure, and so easy, why havn't the masses latched on to it and voted the "bums" out of office? Its because it isn't an answer.

Until you can eradicate the base instincts of man, those selfsame evils I listed previously, then you are stuck with the 80-20 rule. Societies cannot simply make mid-course corrections. It takes a LOT of time and energy to affect change in society. Simply declaring "anarchy rules" is NOT a solution. Give me a structured solution to move society to an anarchic base and I will stand beside you and defend it. But, don't destroy the existing system unless you have something or someway to accomodate the aftermath.

Semper Fi

58 posted on 01/14/2002 10:54:57 AM PST by Trident/Delta
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To: ctdonath2
Thomas Jefferson said the perfect govt is one that is as close to anarchy as possible, with just enough control to keep the peace. All the govt we need is local, and a constitutional one that is followed by the feds.
59 posted on 01/14/2002 10:57:01 AM PST by jeremiah
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To: Architect
No, it is you that are out of touch with the "Anarchic society definition. Financial institutions (and like it or not an insurance company is a financial instituion) are the bane of the anarchic society. Soooo... it stand to reason that they would be desolved in a true anarchic society.

Semper Reality

60 posted on 01/14/2002 10:57:12 AM PST by Trident/Delta
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