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I thought that the sole purpose of the Messiah's arrival was to establish a new Israel. On the other hand, I believe that the messiah already came. And furthermore I conceded the point already as you should know if you actually read the exchange. This is what I was talking about when I asked you to be intellectually honest.

It's one thing to disagree on the theological niceties it's another thing to continue arguing along a line you can't even prove yourself. It was his assertion based on his blanket statements concerning the Torah. You couldn't back him up. Alouette posted a detailed rebuttal to his blanket assertion and yet there you were still parroting his view several posts down.

I ask you again though. Given his historical view. Do you consider his position in that respect dishonest or is he just a stupid man?

Neturei Karta International

Do you agree with the Rabbi and the NKI that the holocaust was God's punishment on the Jews "for trying to establish the State of Israel"?

Joining Farrakhan at his annual Saviours’ Day convention, Neturei Karta Rabbi David Weiss repeatedly attacked Zionism and Israel, telling the crowd that the Holocaust was punishment on the Jewish people for trying to establish the State of Israel. He also asserted that "All those who say they are Jews who speak ill of Mr. Farrakhan are not Jews."

See NKI's common cause with Farrakhan