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To: Demidog
Please. Trust me when I tell you that their view is the fringiest fringe. I am not going to give a discourse to show why their opinion is false. Suffice it to say that it should be patently obvious to anyone with an unbiased eye that there is some level of hypocrisy in their movement. People who have not only avowed but who have killed Jews right in the same neighborhood where Neturei Karta members live can NEVER be their friends. There is a perverse type of fund-raising that they cash in on.

When I first came to Israel I had the unfortunate experience of sitting in jail during Passover with quite a few members of Neturei Karta. (There was a demonstration and I was inadvertently rounded up.) I got to know their views upfront and very close. I disassociated myself from them very quickly. Like any movement they have points in which they are correct, but they then use those few points to totally distort. G-d forgive me for making this comparison, but sometimes I feel like they are our Taliban and Al-Qeda. They are perverted extremists. While direct murder is not on their agenda, since murder is just not part of Jewish tradition, however I do blame them for killing Jews inadvertently by give aid and comfort to our active enemy.

They are the opposite side of a poisonous coin that unfortunately exists in Israel. Just after the 6 day war I met a guy who was a scout in the Negev. He grew up on a SHomer Hatzair Kibbutz where Marxism supplanted Judaism. He knew absolutley nothing about Judaism and called himself an Israeli not a Jew. Despite all the miracles during the war, he said that there was one major tragedy. I said I didn't recall one. He responded,"it was a tragedy that Jordanian bombers weren't able to blast to hell Meah Shearim and Beit Yisroel (the neighborhoods where almost all Neturei Karta live)." The Neturei Karta member would have responded that it was a pity that the SYrians weren't able to destroy his kibbutz. Both attitudes are the extreme of the extreme, and to our shame they exist. G-d only knows how much we try actively and through prayer to unite all Jews.

60 posted on 01/20/2002 11:02:39 AM PST by rebdov
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To: rebdov
I am not going to give a discourse to show why their opinion is false.

I trust you that their views are the fringiest fringe. In fact I don't think it can be disputed. However, what can be disputed is what they are claiming re: the Talmud and the Torah. I am assuming that you are a rabbi if you make your living teaching the Torah. Is that a bad assumption?

I also assume that your refusal to show that their opinions are false are either because there is no support in the Talmud or Torah for this or you are simply wanting me and others to trust you on faith.

Either one is not going to win me over.

63 posted on 01/20/2002 11:08:17 AM PST by Demidog
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To: rebdov
Please. Trust me when I tell you that their view is the fringiest fringe. I am not going to give a discourse to show why their opinion is false.

Right. I trust you. And along with being the fringiest fringe, he's probably the loonatickiest loon too, since you're having such a rough time disputing his statements with anything other than a feeble 'trust me'.

The fact that this man (as well as many others) is calling for justice for all of mankind seems to bother you.

72 posted on 01/20/2002 11:20:49 AM PST by Ridin' Shotgun
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To: rebdov
I suppose, you are saying that the truth is nothing more than obscure and efficient use of propaganda by the majority holders.
74 posted on 01/20/2002 11:21:32 AM PST by Buckeroo
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To: rebdov
I feel like they are our Taliban and Al-Qeda.

I was going to say that but you beat me to it. BTTT.

141 posted on 01/20/2002 12:37:31 PM PST by Alouette
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