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To: eccl1212
"What Tim LaHaye is doing in his 'Left Behind' series has been done before," says Mr. DeMar, a conservative Presbyterian and author of 16 books. "These guys have been predicting the end by reading the newspaper for centuries. ... They all have one thing in common. They've all been wrong."

2 Peter 3

3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

4 They will say, "Where is this `coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

48 posted on 01/24/2002 11:14:53 AM PST by LaineyDee
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To: LaineyDee
So when a NON LIAR points out verifiable facts, you quote them the "scoffer" passage. Brilliant.

HOW about considering this regarding the false prophets of our age "all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire." or perhaps the "lord lord, did we not prophesy in your name? DEPART from me ye that work iniquity and lawlessness? I NEVER knew you."

Or the ever famous commands to stone "false prophets presuming to speak a word in the name of the Lord which I have not commanded them to speak" type of stuff?

This apparently does not bother some of the sheep. But I think it probably DOES bother the shepherd.. and all true shepherds.

I think people PRESUMING to speak for God ought to stay away from false scenarios, selling materials with those scenarios as a premise and encouraging others to participate in them as well. And then taking up the offering or getting a kickback from the sale. A false balance is still an abomination to the lord, and it matters NOT if the guy doing it is the head of your favorite ministry or my favorite one either.

Lies are still lies, deceit is still deceit, and false hope is still false hope. Ministry should entail NONE of these false premises, nor should it entertain them as viable concepts. Follow such folks at your OWN peril.

Jesus had a lot to say about folks who would deceive many in the end, as false leaders, prophesying and predicting the emergence and location of "the christ".

Jesus said the very elect were even in danger of being deceived. Jesus it seems, has been proven right by those who lie in his name.

Scoffers come into existence, as a result of centuries of false prophecies, dealt by the hands of false ministers or prophecy teachers, or prophets who POSE as ministers of light. How that can reflect positively on the sure hope of the gospel of God's grace in Christ Jesus in yours or anyone else's mind, is beyond me.

Its easy to cut and paste scriptures. NOT so easy to remember the general principles of God. Lying and deceit concerning issues ONLY GOD KNOWS to get money and followers is evil. Folks who practice such things endanger their own eternal destiny and the lives of those who know no better than to swallow that pap.

83 posted on 01/24/2002 2:58:04 PM PST by eccl1212
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