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To: Mr Rogers
Like I wrote to AFVetGal, Ritchie didn't seem to care much for De Bellevue. He was pretty emphatic about what he thought about WSO aces. Other than that he was very pleasant, as was his wife. I've met some people through the Colorado GOP that went to the academy with him and others who flew with him both in the AF and the CANG and worked with him at Coors. Never heard a disparaging word. Do you know what De Bellevue is doing now?
70 posted on 02/02/2002 12:04:59 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
I never met either, and don't know what De Bellevue is doing now. I'm basing my comments on what I was told by 6-7 guys who flew with them. To a person, they despised Ritchie & admired De Bellevue. Can't say if that is a representative sample, but I know they all credited De Bellevue. Said Ritchie was famous in Vietnam for hosing off radar missiles out of parameters while De Bellevue was shouting not to...

F-4s could be flown front seat only, but they couldn't fight that way. They couldn't turn well enough for a knife fight, so they either needed to shoot in the face with radar, or get in someone's deep 6 for a heat shot. Both needed a good WSO to work the manual radar. When running an intercept, I was generally so deeply in the radar that I had no idea if I was right side up or upside down. For the record, I know of one case where a WSO landed an F-4 after the nose gunner lost conciousness. And most of the guys I flew with insisted on teaching me enough formation flying to try it 'just in case'.

Nor am I minimizing the importance of a strong pilot. I flew with many. In Weasels, the F-4G would drop the first bomb, and the E model guy would try to bomb the G's smoke. Since we were usually upside down in a pop before the G's bomb impacted, this gave the nosegunner about 7" to see the target, figure the ballistics, compensate for any errors, and drop a manual bomb. For the life of me, I never figured out how they did it. My favorite explanation, by a guy who had 3500+ hours, was, "I just hit the pickle button when it looks right"

I wasn't surprised by Richie's attitude - the guys I knew all said he felt that way. They just thought he became an ace because of his backseater - which may explain why Richie feels so strongly about it! I'm nearing the end of my career as a WSO/EWO...but I'll always be a card carrying member of the WSO Union - motto, "Shut up & drive!"

74 posted on 02/02/2002 4:24:43 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
And on the subject of this thread - it is sad to hear about Mr. Gabreski's death. He's another hero of mine. I wish his family well - but I think they can take great pride in their father's achievements.
75 posted on 02/02/2002 4:31:01 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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