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Feb. 3, 2002 (revised) | First_Salute

Posted on 02/03/2002 4:49:13 PM PST by First_Salute

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1 posted on 02/03/2002 4:49:14 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
Frankly, I've been surprised since getting online in '95 just how many people are interested in learning about the rule of law. There seems to be many more people than one would think by seeing what is allowed to pass as "news" reporting and political punditry.

Still, those of us interested are in the minority and the level of misinformation about our laws and government among otherwise educated people is pretty high.

Good column, and good suggestion, FS.

2 posted on 02/03/2002 5:23:05 PM PST by Twodees
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To: First_Salute
Excellent.

Education is the answer.
Knowledge is Power.

3 posted on 02/03/2002 9:00:26 PM PST by Drammach
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To: Lumberjack
Bump.
4 posted on 02/04/2002 7:40:59 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
Fine suggestions, to which I can add only one item:

Don't stop with newspapers/magazines. I've donated countless copies of Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Watership Down, Biographies on Thomas Jefferson (various titles) and Anthem to many, many high school libraries in Central Ohio. They are happily accepted, for the most part.

5 posted on 02/04/2002 8:12:55 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: absalom01
Bump.
6 posted on 02/04/2002 8:31:18 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: Michael.SF.
Bump.
7 posted on 02/25/2002 10:26:38 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: all
See Liberal William Manchester Turns on ACLU and PC ism, by Carl Limbacher and crew, NewsMax, Feb. 25, 2002 (posted by NormsRevenge)
Responding to the news that the American Civil Liberties Union says hanging the portrait amounts to forced patriotism the old liberal revealed that "I ceased my affiliation with them a few years ago. "It's all about guilt now. Guilt. Victims and guilt."

Asked to explain, Manchester said he didn't know why that's so. "But we're supposed to feel guilt about things that happened or are said to have happened in the faraway past. Do you know what George Washington's real sin is for these people? He was a white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant. Period. He doesn't fit in with today's prescribed correctness. Hang the portrait. Maybe some child will see it and ask a teacher, `Who's that?' And then that child might just get a history lesson."

When asked how important history is he said "A fundamental premise for a functioning democracy is that the citizens will be literate enough, educated enough to see through the bull, know what's good for the democracy and what's dangerous. Washington embodied that premise, championed it.

"If you let education slide in schools and in the home, if your citizens are not aware of their own history, you open the door for self-appointed arbiters of truth," he warned. "And their so-called truths may not be true at all. It's a bad thing. The real question here is: Are our children learning enough history in school? I think not.

"But," he added "it must be good history, real history. Bad enough we don't teach more about World War II in our schools, for 55 years the Japanese have gotten away with teaching a false history of the war in their schools." Manchester, an ex-Marine wounded in action by the Japanese on Guadalcanal in WW II added "To catch the lie you have to be educated."


8 posted on 02/25/2002 7:03:54 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: kiryandil
Bump.
9 posted on 02/27/2002 8:19:50 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: SuziQ
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10 posted on 02/28/2002 12:57:39 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
How very timely! My kids and I just finished our discussions on their studies of the First and Second Continental Congresses, Battles of Lexington and Concord, Breed's Hill and Bunker Hill, and the writing of the Declaration. We are homeschooling, and the series we're using for Amer. History is "A History of US" and it comes with a wonderful sourcebook which includes writings of the founders and the full texts of the Declaration and the Constitution! And we're going to go on a Field Trip to MinuteMan National Historical Park next month, so all of this will come alive for them!

I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who, when asked "What kind of government are we creating here"?, said "A Republic sirs, if you can keep it!" Well the only way we'll be able to keep it is by continuing to be informed and passing along the info whenever we get the chance!

11 posted on 02/28/2002 7:24:15 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: joanie-f;snopercod;Covenantor;mommadooo3;brityank
Salute.
12 posted on 03/05/2002 7:27:13 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
Returning the salute.
But it is in the administration of justice, or of law, that freedom or subjection of a people is tested. If this administration be in accordance with the arbitrary will of the legislator -- that is, if his will, as it appears in his statutes, be the highest rule of decision known to the judicial tribunals, -- the government is a despotism, and the people are slaves.

If, on the other hand, the rule of decision be those principle of natural equity and justice, which constitute, or at least are embodied in, the general consciense of mankind, the people are free in just so far as that conscience is enlightened.

--Lysander Spooner An Essay on the Trial by Jury, 1852

13 posted on 03/05/2002 1:43:02 PM PST by snopercod
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To: Sandy;First_Salute
To appreciate the significance of [the role of judges in society] it is necessary to free ourselves wholly from the erroneous conception that there can be first a society which then gives itself laws. This erroneous conception is basic to the constructivist rationalism which from Descartes and Hobbes through Rousseau and Bentham down to contemporary logical positivism has blinded students to the true relationship between law and government.

It is only as a result of individuals observing certain common rules that a group of men can live together in those orderly relations which we call a society. It would therefore probably be nearer the truth if we inverted the plausible and widely held idea that law derives from authority and rather thought of all authority as deriving from law - not in the sense that the law appoints authority, but in the sense that authority commands obedience because (and so long as) is enforces a law presumed to exist independently of it and resting on a diffused opinion of what is right.

Not all law can therefore be the product of legislation; but power to legislate presupposed the recognition of some common rules; and such rules which underlie the power to legislate may also limit that power. No group is likely to agree on articulated rules unless its members already hold opinions that coincide in some degree. Such coincidence of opinion will thus have to precede explicit agreement on articulated rules of just conduct, although not agreement on particular ends of action. Persons differing in their general values may occasionally agree on, and effectively collaborate for, the achievement of particular concrete purposes. But such agreement on particular ends will never suffice for forming that lasting order which we call a society.

--F.A. Hayek, Law Legislation and Liberty, Vol I Rules and Order</>, Chapter 5 "Nomos: The Law of Liberty"

14 posted on 03/05/2002 1:49:40 PM PST by snopercod
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To: First_Salute, snopercod
If I might repeat two absolute gems, not unlike something Patrick Henry might have said:

No system of government, will preserve for us, what is our own responsibility to defend. And for all the fury which might release upon catastrophic failures by our government officials to uphold the lawful laws, no recovery is possible without the people being well-informed of what is our responsibility and trust ... and duty to restore.

The rule of law is a belief system, a philosophy, a construction of man under an even higher order of the rule of law, which higher order for some people is God's, and for other people, it is some "force." Of which, our recognition helps to keep us humble....First_Salute

Allow me to add three relevant quotes (no more eloquent, but just as timeless):

1830's educational maxim: A demagogue would like a people half educated; enough to read what he says, but not enough to know whether it is true or not.

Thomas Jefferson: If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.

John Adams: We electors have an important constitutional power placed in our hands: we have a check upon two branches of the legislature . . . It becomes necessary for every citizen, then, to be in some degree a statesman and to examine and judge for himself.

Note that all three, in their own way, refer to the lethal danger of an ignorant, uninformed populace. In order to be Adams' 'statesman,' a degree of awareness, knowledge and resolve is necessary. Jefferson warns that ignorance and freedom are, and always have been, mutually exclusive conditions. And the nearly-two-century-old maxim describes one of the vital strategies of the would-be tyrants: to keep the people educated enough to comprehend their 'line,' but ignorant enough to be unable to see through its deceptions.

No society can long exist without a well-defined system of laws, a clear characterization of justice, and a populace which comprehends the immutable underpinnings of both .... and which has the resolve to ensure that both remain undefiled.

Although written almost eight hundred years ago, two of the simplest rules regarding law and justice ever written by the pen of man are the fortieth and forty-fifth (of the sixty-three) principles of the Magna Carta:

40: To no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay, right or justice.

45: We will not make justices, constables, sheriffs, or bailiffs, save of such as know the law of the kingdom and mean to observe it well.

Twenty-first century legalese/small print/loopholes have nothing on the wisdom of King John at Runnymede. We would do well to return to the simple. Sometime 'progress' tends to dilute....often it tends to obfuscate....and, in the case of twenty-first century American law and justice, it has completely obliterated the concept under which it received definition.

In his Common Sense, Thomas Paine wrote:

There are persons....who see not the full extent of the evil which threatens them; they solace themselves with hopes that the enemy, if he succeed, will be merciful. It is the madness of folly to expect mercy from those who have refused to do justice; and even mercy, where conquest is the object, is a trick of war. The cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf, and we ought to guard equally against both.

Paine's enemy....his fox and wolf....are all one and the same. In his day they were represented by the Crown. In our day they are embodied in those (many, and growing) among our (pseudo representative republic) leaders who bear allegiance to something other than the sovereignty of America and the good, and safety, of her people. But really the enemy, although sometimes sporting a different face, is always the same: tyranny.

Tyranny realized through violence is a tragedy. Tyranny realized through ignorance and apathy is an abomination.

15 posted on 03/05/2002 3:29:02 PM PST by joanie-f
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To: joanie-f
morning bump
16 posted on 03/06/2002 1:45:23 AM PST by snopercod
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To: joanie-f
Magnificent.
17 posted on 03/06/2002 7:17:19 AM PST by downwithsocialism
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To: Common Tator
Bump.
18 posted on 03/30/2002 11:17:32 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: Spiff
May interest you.
19 posted on 05/23/2002 9:10:38 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: narby
Bump.
20 posted on 06/14/2002 8:21:54 AM PDT by First_Salute
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