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To: Jefferson Adams
NRA instructors, I've found, are often just about as smug and ignorant as a lot of LEOs are.

A year or so ago, I took the standard NRA "personal protection" class (after having taken LFI-1 and LFI-2) as I wanted to get a refresher on the specific scene regarding Pennsylvania laws and what I might expect in my home area (Ayoob's courses do not go into the specifics of local laws in each little area)

The instructor was a cop and NRA certified. At one point, he unloaded his sidearm in view of the class, and then to illustrate a point in his discussion I saw him handling the gun so it swept the entire class. I cringed in my seat and afterwards spoke to him about it, but he didn't see himself as having done anything dangerous.

463 posted on 02/07/2002 1:03:16 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor,jefferson adams,harpseal,squantos
All of my life "sweeping" someone with ANY gun has earned the "sweeper" a swift takedodwn to the floor full speed.

It happened to me once when I was about 16, a viet nam vet who was still "twitchy" yanked the Marlin 22 out of my hands by the barrel and then used the butt in my chest to put me on my back. I deserved it and never forgot it.

This was also the rule in the military, regardless of rank. You do NOT sweep anyone!

467 posted on 02/07/2002 1:12:59 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: SauronOfMordor
A year or so ago, I took the standard NRA "personal protection" class (after having taken LFI-1 and LFI-2) as I wanted to get a refresher on the specific scene regarding Pennsylvania laws and what I might expect in my home area (Ayoob's courses do not go into the specifics of local laws in each little area)

The instructor was a cop and NRA certified. At one point, he unloaded his sidearm in view of the class, and then to illustrate a point in his discussion I saw him handling the gun so it swept the entire class. I cringed in my seat and afterwards spoke to him about it, but he didn't see himself as having done anything dangerous.


463 posted on 2/7/02 3:03 PM Mountain by SauronOfMordor

If you took an NRA Personal Protection course a year or two ago,
it was just a warmed-over pistol course.
It taught Isosceles and point-shoot only.

There is a new course called "Personal Protection in the Home";
one would believe that Masaad Ayoob was involved in the development of the syllabus.
The current course teaches Weaver and modified Weaver only and combat sighting.
It is less than a year old.

I have taught the new course and next month will train instructors in how to teach the new course.

I personally would not trust an LEO as an NRA instructor.

We train NRA instructors never to have live ammunition in a class room!

The officer you cite is incompetent and should have been reported to the NRA Training Dept.

XeniaSt

NRA Certified Training/Counselor
A trainer of NRA Certified Instructors

479 posted on 02/07/2002 3:18:57 PM PST by Uri’el-2012
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