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The Black Roots of Slavery
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | June 7, 2001 | Michael Tremoglie

Posted on 02/11/2002 7:09:50 PM PST by Matchett-PI

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To: Matchett-PI
I consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams two of the finest economists and minds extant today. In case you don’t know them, both are black.

But I believe Keyes, Sowell and Williams would oppose calls for reparations.

The modern descendants of slaves brought here in chains in admittedly miserable, soul-gutting conditions who are now calling for reparations need to remember a few things:

They should not only be glad to be in America, they should be glad to be ANYWHERE !

Had that NOT happened, the blood of their ancestors would have run into the earth over there several centuries ago and these modern day would-be "plaintiffs" would not even exist.

And should the great-great-great grandchildren of the approximately 3,000 SLAVE OWNING BLACK plantation owners in this country also be subject to PAYING these reparations?

If so, how do we find THEM?

Robert Hitt Neill tells of attending a Tennessee Mountain Writer’s Conference years ago with several other authors. Among them was Alex Hailey, celebrated author of “Roots.” Watching a TV news show, a group of them watched a demonstration in a Southern state against the “Rebel” flag incorporated into that state’s flag. The very next report covered a famine in Africa. Graphic images showed dead bodies, starving children with distended tummies and runny noses and dying people covered with flies, too weak to brush them away.

Mr. Hailey intoned in a low, serious voice:
“Every time an American black sees a story like that, they should find a Confederate flag and kiss it.” He then pointed to the TV screen and continued, “Because these would be me and my descendants, except for American slavery. I thank God that my family and I are here instead of there.”

41 posted on 02/12/2002 7:14:20 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: patriciaruth
I'm not sure that it didn't work. The arrival of Goths, Huns, Vandals, and others changed things somewhat. Lack of economic understanding didn't help.
42 posted on 02/12/2002 7:16:27 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Matchett-PI
Before Columbus arrived in Hispanoila in 1492, the native population of North America was perhaps 40 million. By 1900, in the U.S. less than quarter of a million remained, scattered among 1,500 remote reservations.

Notice how "North America"(which also includes Canada and Mexico) is switched with "U.S."

The Indian-descended population of Mexico is far in excess of 40 million, while I doubt that the pre-Columbus Indian population of what is currently the US was more than a few million.

43 posted on 02/12/2002 7:37:23 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: dmz
They are here by choice. Each and every one of them could go to Africa right now. After 100+ years of freedom, anyone here right now is here by choice.
44 posted on 02/12/2002 8:53:41 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Anti-slavery, no reparations bump!
45 posted on 02/12/2002 9:03:22 AM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Matchett-PI
Thanks for the interesting and informative post, Matchett-PI. Bump!!! --bb.
46 posted on 02/12/2002 9:18:39 AM PST by betty boop
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To: stainlessbanner
The census of 1830 lists 965 free black slave owners in Louisiana, owning 4,206 slaves. The state of South Carolina, lists 464 free blacks owning 2,715 slaves. How ironic it is that so many blacks owned so many slaves in South Carolina. Yet, no one seemed to mention this during the flag controversy.

And it only gets WORSE closer to 1860

Some blacks served in the Confederate army, which is another omission in our popular culture. The movie Glory did not happen to mention that blacks served in the Confederate army. It did give the impression that the black soldiers in the 54th Massachusetts were former slaves-- which was not true.

Say it ain't so stainless!! Kind of blows lincoln's American vision that has been forced down our throats straight to heck doesn't it?

47 posted on 02/12/2002 9:24:22 AM PST by billbears
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To: Matchett-PI
I've learned all I need to know, about slavery, from those who lived in that time. "PREPOSSESSED OF THE OPINION...THAT EUROPEANS ARE FOND OF THEIR FLESH"

The issue of reparations will kill the RAT party, if blacks push for it.

48 posted on 02/12/2002 10:04:03 AM PST by Razz Barry
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To: billbears
It's much nicer to find a scapegoat in white Southrons. So convenient to wash Yankee conscience of the practice of slavery and portray themselves as freedom fighters/liberators.

I'll admit the story sounds good, except when you look at the factual record. Kind of like "Pay not attention to the man behind the curtain" isn't it?

49 posted on 02/12/2002 10:17:44 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Matchett-PI
I was not aware that blacks owned blacks in this country. Must be that publik skool edjewkashun of mine. Thanks for the article.
50 posted on 02/12/2002 10:39:08 AM PST by kidd
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To: Matchett-PI
'Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni replied, " African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologize, it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today."'

MEDIA ALERT! MEDIA ALERT! ... what .... you say the truth is is not news? ....

51 posted on 02/12/2002 10:51:31 AM PST by 4CJ
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To: Matchett-PI
It's still going on today in the Sudan.
52 posted on 02/12/2002 11:03:18 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: nopardons
BTTT
53 posted on 02/12/2002 11:04:58 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: breakem
Why did the Europeans enslave Africans?

Probably because they were a ready supply (provided by their African foes), cheap, and required little conquest.

Why did the Americas enslave Africans?

All of the above, plus the inherent ability of Africans to work well in the heat of the tropical climes of Central and South America and the Caribbean as well as the summers in the American South. Likewise the cotton gin as well played a huge role in exponentially increasing the demand for African slaves.

There are only a few vaguely uniques aspects of the African trade. First it was arguably the last and most recent large scale slave trade. Second it involved for the most part members of one distinct race enslaving members of another..albeit with help from their racial kin. Thirdly the distances involved in the trafficking. Fourth, the magnitude of it...I am not aware of another commercial slave trading arena involving these numbers.

One has to wonder what would have happened to these subjugated tribes had they not been diluted by slavery. The Ibo, Yoruba, and Coramamtee tribes are still today huge.

54 posted on 02/12/2002 11:16:15 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
I think that's part of it. It was an easy, available, market. However the other guy said because they were weak. Well there were weak groups in Rurope, so that couln't be the only major reason. To your points I would add the Christian sensibilities of the 16-1800s. Okay to enslave black heathens, but not fellow white Christians.
55 posted on 02/12/2002 11:43:44 AM PST by breakem
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To: patriciaruth
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57 posted on 02/12/2002 12:31:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: breakem, nopardons
I think you are looking for some pc angle to all of this. I'm sure Christians would have preferred to enslave heathens of any color or even better heretics...believe me heretics drew more ire than mere heathens. Neither were all slavers Christians. The African slave trade was based primarily on supply and economics. Supply was based on civilization to some degree. Only in the Planet of the Apes movie do the less civilized do the enslaving as a rule.....but occasionally the more powerful may subdue a more advanced culture but w'ere talking about commercial slavery here not conquering slavery.

Conquering slavery was originally viewed as humane as opposed to mere genocide.

Your comments have caused me to reflect that perhaps the biggest distinction about the Afro-Atlantic slave trade is merely that it is the most recent of any major slave trade after all.

Hardly distinctive and certainly does not rank as among humanity's worse crimes from recorded history. It was bad no doubt but relative to it's day it wasn't exactly the holocaust today's revisionists would have you believe.

Regards

58 posted on 02/12/2002 1:14:02 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
It was that stopped the slave trade to Europe and America. It had extisted in African, for millenia, and is still going strong. It took almost two millenia, for Christianity, to " kick in " and get it more or less stopped. There is hatdly a nation, still in existance, or long gone , that hasn't,at one time, engaged in slavery. Places, where neither Arab, nor European, ha set foot in, engaged in slavery !

The " blame game ", for money, just doesn't cut it. This blame game for political purposes, doesn't cut it either. It is long past due, that EVERYONE stands up against this con-job. If one is called " racist " , for speaking proven , historical facts, turn it right back on those label . : - )

59 posted on 02/12/2002 1:42:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
agreed...bump
60 posted on 02/12/2002 1:56:11 PM PST by wardaddy
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