[tonycavanagh]

re : Winston would disagree with you, and so do I. How many times do we have to tolerate evil and see its consequences? We tolerated Hitler, and his power grew to the extent that it took an extremely bloody and painful war to get rid of him. In reality we should have told him to go straight to hell at Munich and had him smash up a bloody mess against the Czech defences.

Germany was different they were a highly industrialised nation, slap bang in the middle of Europe.

Iran, Iraq and North Korea are members of the Third World all there technology is based on the West and on Russia, and Chinese, there weapons are second or even third rate.

They are more a threat to there own people than to us.

As for tolerating evil we tolerate it, after all we tolerated the evil that was Communism because it helped us in the War against Germany, and we tolerated the evil that was Hitler in the 30s because we thought he would make a great brake between us and the Soviets.

re : These terrorists threaten us all because we represent the very opposite of what they want. To expect them to simply leave us alone is the height of naiveté.

LOL me naive.

Are we talking about Terrorist or Nations we don’t like.

And they are not one and the same. There is no direct prove that any of those nations had anything to do with the terrorist attack against America.

They are targeted because they have been thorns in Americas side, and America wants them gone.

re : Our rightful place is at the forefront of the charge.

We don’t have a rightful place, our troops apart from a few elite units will be tasked with operation cleanup, or as we joke today operation busboy.

I have taken part into many busboy operations in one third world country after another, to welcome more.

American military power stretches the globe, there military budget is bigger than the EU, Russia and China combined.

If they want to police the world and that is what it is, not a war of liberation against a real dangerous enemy like Hitler’s Germany and the Japanese Empire, well let them, but I don’t want Britain involved, but will cost the life’s of men and Money and do you think we will even get a mention, or a thanks for helping, read the threads here, as far as they are concerned the role of our troops is to police up the mess left behind.

Hope you stay for a while, not many Brits freeping anymore.

Cheers Tony

[MadIvan]

We tolerated Bolshevism in 1917 because of war weariness and expediency, not because it was the right thing to do or even because it was *remotely* the right thing to do.

Secondly, you're committing the Blair mistake of saying that it is only nations that are linked to the WTC attack that need to be punished (though given meetings between Atta and Iraqi intelligence in Prague, there is a link). Iran has been caught trying to smuggle arms to the Palestinians and thus inflame that struggle. What Libya is doing to Zimbabwe, for example, is an utter disgrace. These nations need to at least be brought to heel. For the same reason that tolerating Bolshevism was not on, tolerating these bastards continuing their terrorist operations is not on. It is not on that Iran gets nuclear weapons. It is not on that Libya should be allowed to fiddle while Zimbabwe burns. Sitting back and doing nothing does not make us any more secure, indeed, it says like Richard III might say, it leaves them "the world for them to bustle in".

As for being "bus boys", that is not argument for inaction. That is an argument regarding the roles that Blair is getting us involved in. And there I agree with you - I hate these endless peacekeeping missions Blair loves so much with a burning passion. Our military does have the capability, along with our intelligence services, to kill the enemy and get out. And that is precisely what they should be doing.

Regards, Ivan