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Drudge Campaign Finanace Veto Update!
http://www.drudgereport.com ^ | 2-15-02 9:54 AM ET | Drudge

Posted on 02/15/2002 5:56:09 AM PST by Maedhros

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX FRI FEB 15 2002 09:21:37 ET XXXXX

TO VETO OR NOT TO VETO: BUSH, AIDES IN HEATED DEBATE OVER SOFT MONEY BAN

**Exclusive**

A heated debated has developed inside of President Bush's inner circle over whether to veto a congressional bill which would limit forms of campaign cash to parties by companies, unions and individuals.

Majority Leader Daschle [D-SD] vowed swift action in the Senate on a House measure, which would also outlaw advertising by groups that target candidates just before an election.

"We can't let this stand!" argued one of Bush's senior advisers on Thursday, according to a well-placed source. "We ran against this issue during the campaign."

The president is said to have not made up his mind on a veto as he plans to depart on his Asia trek.

One key Bush strategist argued how the measure, as currently written, would not survive a Supreme Court review.

"Let's not take the hit, I say we sign off.. let it fail on its lack of constitutionality."

The ban on advertisements is causing the dramatic split inside the White House, sources revealed to the DRUDGE REPORT.

"We'll lose Limbaugh over this," warned a top staffer during a meeting. "This will surely come back to haunt us... I'd say we send it back to them and let them take out the advertising rules."

Behind-the-scenes, a senior Republican senator complained that he was getting no guidance from the White House on any potential Bush veto.

"I don't think they've made up their minds yet," the ranking senator told his staff. "We may be on our own with this."

Developing...


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To: Registered
Now on the stem cell thing, you and I part company. There was no difference in terms of lives saved between the exact phrasing of what he campaigned on and what the final form of his decision was. That was always a tempest in a teapot.
41 posted on 02/15/2002 6:21:18 AM PST by Dales
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To: Maedhros
A 'Real' CFR bill would penalize the politicians for soliciting and/or accepting 'certain' contributions.

Not -

Penalize the voter/citizen for giving.

Penalize them for accepting by:

1. Removal from office:

2. Required two year pubic service like cleaning out grease traps in pubic school cafeteria,

And/Or

3. Cleaning and maintain bathrooms in public housing projects.

Isn't it time that they live under the same laws that they force us to live?

42 posted on 02/15/2002 6:21:40 AM PST by Papatex
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Third, there is an alternate option; let it lay on his desk for 10 days and become law without his signature, betting that it will be fast-tracked to the SC and overturned.

Very shrewd idea. It is possible that this is the opinion that is choosen.

43 posted on 02/15/2002 6:22:14 AM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: Maedhros
VETO !!

Don't let the Dems and the liberal editorial boards scare you into thinking people are screaming for ANY kind of campaign reform stemming from the unrelated collapse of Enron.

44 posted on 02/15/2002 6:22:28 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: AAABEST
He's sworn to uphold the constitution. Anything else would be immoral and a violation of his oath of office.

I'm not forgetting anything. I agree with you. But, alas, I'm not yet sold on the idea that Bush makes his decisions solely on the merits of what's right or wrong. He is the president, true, but he's also the leader of his party who will want to be re-elected in 2004. He's giving token pennies to "the U.S. needs to help stop the spread of AIDS in Africa crowd." He's given token pennies to the stem cell research crowd.

He is NOT X42, but he IS a politician. I think he'll do the right thing and veto whatever comes out of committee. But I also think he's weighing his political options.

45 posted on 02/15/2002 6:23:34 AM PST by bloodmeridian
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To: Maedhros
Little Tommie and his merry gang of Socialists hope the President will veto this bill so they can whack him over the head. THEY won't dwell on the unconstitutionality of the bill, they will simply say those bad old Repubs don't want CFR. To HELL with Little Tommie the commie, VETO THIS BILL!!!
46 posted on 02/15/2002 6:24:04 AM PST by teletech
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To: bloodmeridian
"I agree; but poltically, letting it fail on its unconstitutionally is a shrewd political move. Because it will."

Shrewd vs. defending the Constitution - fulfilling one's oath of office - fulfilling one's campaign promise to oppose this measure - and shrewd doesn't cut it!

It is also putting faith in something that could totally fail. What about this. What if one of the Supreme Court justices (the conservative ones) passes away or retires due to health? The effort to replace that Justice with another Constitutionalist fails because the Senate is still in the hands of HItlery and her minions. The court is then filled with a liberal "compromise" nominee. In the mean time the clock is ticking towards 2004. This measure could easily not be struck down or only parts of it.

The LAW IS WRONG, BAD FOR THIS COUNTRY, AND TERRIBLE FOR THE "LITTLE GUYS" THAT SUPPOSEDLY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY GETS MOST OF ITS MONEY FROM. I am one "little guy/gal" who will pack it in and let the elitsts have it if this is not stopped by OUR PRESIDENT WHOM WE ELECTED AND FOUGHT FOR!

47 posted on 02/15/2002 6:24:06 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Good point. That could be why Bush isn't signaling. He also might want the GOP Senators to actully have to think for themselves...
48 posted on 02/15/2002 6:24:12 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Maedhros
What happens if Bush just doesn't sign it? Can he do that? Is there some provision that it becomes law without his signature? Does the bill just sit in a file folder somewhere and cannot be applied?
49 posted on 02/15/2002 6:24:50 AM PST by Flint
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To: Tailback
Judicial ethics. That gives the Dems something to use against nay nominee for Chief Justice.

OTOH, he has great cover from the Chairman of the FEC, who knows a bit about the laws, and he himself said provisions were unconstitutional. Plus, he called other provisions unworkable and unenforcable.

Bush has at least two grounds that the general public will accept the veto on: The pricniples he outlined in the letter last year AND the comments by the FEC chairman. That will go a long way towards defusing the situation.

50 posted on 02/15/2002 6:24:55 AM PST by hchutch
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If the White House "leaks" that there will be a Veto, all the spineless senators can vote the bill into law, knowing "daddy" will fix it.

President Bush asks every American for responsible behavior and that includes Republican Senators. No way is he going to telegraph his decision until the bill comes to his desk.

51 posted on 02/15/2002 6:26:20 AM PST by maica
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To: Maedhros
The President must VETO this piece of trash bill -- Americans love leadership and if the President vetos this he will be showing, once again, what he's made of. He should veto it for the following reasons:

1) it goes against his principles and what he campaigned on;

2) it shifts the power from the people to the media and to special interest groups; and

3) it IS unconstitutional

Also, the MOST Americans could care less about this issue, and if he does veto for the above reasons, Americans will have forgotten all about it within a matter of days.

PLEASE, MR. PRESIDENT, VETO THIS BILL!

52 posted on 02/15/2002 6:26:24 AM PST by JBonvillain
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To: rep-always
I cannot call from here, but I did e-mail president@whitehouse.gov with "veto" in the subject line. I suppose someone will see it and pass it on.
53 posted on 02/15/2002 6:26:57 AM PST by rface
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To: Maedhros
Ok look, if this bill has to be killed, the best thing to do at this point is filibuster it. I would not let this get to Bush's desk. My gut feeling is that he will sign it. Look people, he's going to get hammered on whatever he does with it.

If he signs it, he's going to get hell from all sides, and many within the party. And I KNOW that many of you are going to pull something stupid and say you won't vote for him in 2004, and potentially put the rest of us through another 4yrs of HELL. Keep in mind, that signing it takes the ISSUE off of the table, and hopefully will shut McCain up for once.

If he decides that a veto is necessary, the democrats will hammer him on this for the rest of the year. They'll attempt to label him a liar and all other sorts of garbage. If this bill must be killed, the Senate should do it.

Now, if history proves true, and nobody get's the balls to filibuster it, it will end up on his desk for signature. Now, before you start going on a tirade, step back and ask yourself this: Why did you vote for Bush? THINK ABOUT IT REAL HARD

54 posted on 02/15/2002 6:27:17 AM PST by Pro Consul
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To: Maedhros
I'll bet this "undecided" stuff was deliberately "leaked" from the expert snake handlers in the WH. :D
55 posted on 02/15/2002 6:28:20 AM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: rep-always
am doing it as we speak. plan to write a letter, too. rd
56 posted on 02/15/2002 6:28:26 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Freedom is most certainly worth it. Please see post #45, and pray for a filibuster.
57 posted on 02/15/2002 6:28:30 AM PST by bloodmeridian
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To: Registered,bloodmeridian
I agree on principle that it should be vetoed as written, but also agree that if they sign off on it and let it utterly fail while allowing the dems to take credit might be brilliant.

Actually I would like to see some financial limits but get the ban on free speech out of there. Neal Boortz hit it right on the head when he called this bill the 'incumbent protection act' because the only information accessible to the voters in the crucial last 60 days will be from the (mostly) liberal press. It would probably benefit the dems more than the pubs. But hey, at least we wouldn't have to see stupid Enron attack smears from the DNC in the last 60 days...we'd just have to read about it in the papers :(

58 posted on 02/15/2002 6:28:52 AM PST by Sender
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To: Maedhros
It is good news that the President is thinking this over. Smart people would say the thing to do is to sign it. The 60 day restrictions would probably be held unconstitutional and the increase in hard money restrictions would improve things. Yet, I hope the President also should take into account those like myself whose only real voice are those "special interests" on conservative social issues including gun control. Telling us that we are fat cat, richo's is not helpful.

In the final analysis what is smart and what is right have parted company in this instance. I hope that the President doesn't fret about the NYT, WP and other liberal media outlets who have hired McCain as there paid whore.

If the President remembers it is people like me and others that stayed faithful and put McCain's campaign to a quick end in South Carolina.

Do what is right Mr. President!

59 posted on 02/15/2002 6:29:21 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Maedhros
I refuse to speculate about a leaked rumor. Bush will veto this because he promised he would.
60 posted on 02/15/2002 6:30:15 AM PST by AppyPappy
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