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ERIC VOEGELIN: What is Right by Nature?
book | 1978 | Eric Voegelin

Posted on 02/16/2002 4:38:09 PM PST by cornelis

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To: semper_libertas
Corporations need obedient foot soldiers not temperamental philosophers.

That's my point exactly--a large amount of the above kind of crap was required (in my day) to be awarded a bachelor's.

Most of the stuff universities are about is to be sure their graduates will be conditioned to follow the corporate carrot--that is, to do as one is told in the surety that the carrot will then follow.

The pink slip by forty and the retreat of the carrot too often follow first.

41 posted on 02/17/2002 11:50:56 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: cornelis; Slingshot; beckett; Phaedrus; griffin; annalex; LSJohn; PatrickHenry; tpaine;
Tut-tut

Hi cornelis! Well, I do know the difference between divine and natural law. Problem is, I suspect my correspondent, like most people these days, thinks that human consciousness and being are purely world-immanent phenomena. So to speak of what I really wanted to speak of – divine law – would be quite impossible. So I thought I’d try something else. It didn’t work out. My question was ditched. But then, perhaps it was simply unintelligible.

The physei dikaion -- what is right by nature – depends, as Voegelin points out, on a proper understanding of that physis -- nature – is. For Aristotle, the word “has the three meanings of physical, divine, and human…. Aristotle talks of thephysikon dikaion now as that which is valid everywhere (meaning in its divine essence), now as that which is changeable (meaning its realization by men in a concrete situation). When he…begins to talk of ta me physika all’ anthropina dikaia (“what is just not by nature but by human enactment”), one can indeed not make up one’s mind whether by physika he means nature in the physical sense or in the divine essence.” But Voegelin is certain that such human enactments are not nomika (changeable law) as opposed to physika (immutable law based on divine essence), “but rather the physika in the third sense of the human realization of what is by nature.” [boldface added]. That is, the understanding of what is right by nature emerges in the “tension between divine immutable essence and human existentially-conditioned mutability.”

Plato, and Aristotle after him, rejected the idea that man’s consciousness is world-immanent and nothing more than that. Indeed, the psyche of every man is rooted in divine essence, a transcendent principle. Thus man can apprehend “the point of intersection of the timeless with time.” Indeed, man is the demonstration of this intersection. Man lives in the tension between the God beyond this world, and the “god within,” the divine principle that constitutes his own essential being. I take this to mean that man is capable of recognizing the “immutable law based on divine essence” because it is literally in his nature to do so.

Thus, what is right by nature (physikon dikaion) – we might say what is right according to the laws of nature and of nature’s God – and human legislative acts (nomikon) are the “poles” of an existential tension between the timeless and time, of the unchanging and the changeable. Justice – which is eternally right by nature – is universal in the sense that men everywhere and at all times recognize its truth, although the laws men enact to achieve it in concrete societies may differ and be subject to change. The point is, human enactments of law ought to reify as much as possible “the invisible, divine measure.” For if this is not done, then the eternal measure’s “place will be taken by a legislator’s arbitrariness pursuing his special interest,” and truthful existence – personal and social – will be impossible.

This is an extraordinarily difficult complex to convey to people who don’t spend a whole lot of time hashing out philosophical problems; maybe a more prosaic illustration may help. I’m convinced the Framers of the U.S. Constitution had precisely this problem of the just basis of nomikon in mind. I believe they consciously modeled their design after an idea of the divine measure to which human legislative acts must refer and conform in order to have the status of law. They well understood that changing circumstances over time would drive changes in law. At the same time, the “eternal” principles the Constitution was designed to secure and protect – liberty and justice under law – needed to be protected from arbitrary legislation that would undermine or threaten these principles. So, they simply said, in effect, that any legislative act that did not conform to the measure of constitutional principle was a nullity, “no law” at all, and not binding on anyone. (Of course, it doesn’t work out quite this way in actual practice; after all, you can be punished for not complying with a “nullity” these days…but then the Constitution has been traduced by successive generations of “arbitrary legislators” for quite some time by now….)

cornelis, I simply loved this: “…ethics is not a matter of moral principles, nor a retreat from the complexities of the world, nor a contraction of existence into eschatological expectation or readiness, but a matter of the truth of existence in the reality of action in concrete situations… The truth of existence [and presumably its untruth, as the case may be] is attained where it becomes concrete, i.e., in action…. The kineton of action is the locus where man attains his truth….

“From the unmoved mover, as the first cause, the movement of being goes on through the cosmos down to the last thing that is moved, in the realm of humanity to human action. If what is right by nature is characterized as kineton, the translation of this term as ‘changeable’ is correct but must be supplemented by the meaning of ‘being moved cosmically by the cause of all movement.’… The wise man…deliberates on the basis of his knowledge; and this knowledge may be ordered and expressed in the lasting form of propositions of various degrees of generality, which are called ethics. Insofar as this constant knowledge is the instrument used by the divine to attain truth in the reality of action, ethics itself is a phase in the movement of being that ends in the kineton, and its creation is a labor of serving the unmoved mover. The philosophical achievement of ethics has its dignity as a part of the divine movement that leads to the truth of action…. The criterion of rightly-ordered human existence…is [its] permeability for the movement of being, i.e., the openness of man [to] the divine; the openness in its turn is not a proposition about something given by an event, and ethics is, therefore, not a body of propositions, but an event of being that provides the word for a statement about itself.” (boldface added)

Thank you so much, cornelis, for posting this magnificent essay – and for providing an opportunity to discuss divine law. All my best, bb.

42 posted on 02/17/2002 11:53:31 AM PST by betty boop
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To: semper_libertas
Thus, "What is Right by Nature?" is actually a trivial question. Might is right by all laws of nature.

Hey semper-libertas! You ever consider changing your screen name to Protagoras? best, bb.

43 posted on 02/17/2002 11:58:30 AM PST by betty boop
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To: semper_libertas
In other words, do what we tell you to do and you get the sheepskin.

Students conditioned to endure the most boring nonsensical crap are students conditioned to good corporate citizenship.

(This is allied to scrubbing the parade ground with a toothbrush.)

44 posted on 02/17/2002 11:58:40 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Pistias
In the old days the King had a court philosopher.

In our times, the King has a court attorney.

In the case of the present administration, who is the person that would be playing the part of court attorney, who is the person who has issued the white paper on the Rights of Man? Not the Attorney General. Not the Secy of State. Is it the VP?

46 posted on 02/17/2002 12:32:29 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity, Diotima
Thanks for the links. I see they have an outline posted of this excerpt from Anamnesis.

Diotima, I notice how the author, in making the outline (from the link) has underscored the point you are drawing attention to and one which Voegelin himself makes: "What is right by nature is identical with the best constitution, and its investigation is the search for the right order of society."

I think the key issue that Voegelin astutely points out is that "What is right by nature (or, the best constitution) is not given as an object about which one could state correct propositions once and for all."

People who take the U.S. Constitution as the be-all and end-all of law forget that it is rather a procedural document intended to be subject to what is naturally changeable. It is a constitution, as bb notes, that allows for this tension which Voegelin recognizes in Aristotle. It is not a living document, but it is subject to a living people. A constitution that allows for this tension is liable to derailment into the poles which constitute that tension.

47 posted on 02/17/2002 12:54:58 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
If I am remembering correctly, E.V. in The New Science of Politics refers to the constitutional structures of British and American societies as being the closest to "the truth of the soul" (or words more or less to that effect). I think he means that they are open and free societies rather than totalitarian (like Russia, Germany, and China in the last century). You are correct that much of this openness and freedom is expressed "procedurally." It would seem though that one would have to understand certain aspects of the U.S. Constitution (and the ideas and spirit behind it)as resting on certain ontological presuppositions about reality. The "free exercise" of religion, for instance, seems to imply familiarity with and recognition of some sort of reality involved with spiritual expression and allegiances. It doesn't directly say that God exists or that there is a spiritual nature or even what that would mean, but we do know something about some of the beliefs of the signers of the Constitution. There is an ambiguity, but the presuppositions about the nature of reality are there. This is rather different from a totalitarian order, like the former U.S.S.R., which expressly denies the transcendent and the sacred. It seems to boild down to what we should make of the ambiguity and the prescribed procedural arrangements. Are they merely utilitarian and pragmatic or do they imply some deeper awareness of the nature of reality? This question seems one of the underlying pivots of disagreements between liberals and conservatives.
48 posted on 02/17/2002 1:22:40 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: cornelis
"...the American and English democracies...most solidly in their institutions represent the truth of the soul..."
- Eric Voegelin, The New Science of Politics, Univ. of Chicago Press, 1952, p.189
49 posted on 02/17/2002 1:29:14 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: cornelis
I don't think there is any other way to read Voegelin in this part of The New Science of Politics other than that he finds the superiority and success of the English and American constitutional orders to rest in the fact that they are still rooted in Christian culture and in Christian and representative institutions.
50 posted on 02/17/2002 1:33:11 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
It would seem though that one would have to understand certain aspects of the U.S. Constitution (and the ideas and spirit behind it)as resting on certain ontological presuppositions about reality. The "free exercise" of religion, for instance, seems to imply familiarity with and recognition of some sort of reality involved with spiritual expression and allegiances. It doesn't directly say that God exists or that there is a spiritual nature or even what that would mean, but we do know something about some of the beliefs of the signers of the Constitution. There is an ambiguity, but the presuppositions about the nature of reality are there. This is rather different from a totalitarian order, like the former U.S.S.R., which expressly denies the transcendent and the sacred. It seems to boild down to what we should make of the ambiguity and the prescribed procedural arrangements. Are they merely utilitarian and pragmatic or do they imply some deeper awareness of the nature of reality? This question seems one of the underlying pivots of disagreements between liberals and conservatives.

You summarize it well. And yet again, it is not so much ambiguity as freedom which defines the tension between being human in a real world.

51 posted on 02/17/2002 1:37:54 PM PST by cornelis
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To: semper_libertas
Or maybe Thrasymachus? --bb.
52 posted on 02/17/2002 1:42:06 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Thanks for the ping, BB. But I'm gonna sit this one out.
53 posted on 02/17/2002 1:45:39 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: semper_libertas
I'm big on "truth in labelling".... :^)

Question: How do you reasonably expect to be "always free" if you do not understand what is the Source of your freedom? The best the Sophists could do was to rationalize, not liberty, but license. -- bb.

54 posted on 02/17/2002 1:46:09 PM PST by betty boop
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To: PatrickHenry
That's OK, PH. Glad to see you in any case. Thanks for your note. All my best, bb.
55 posted on 02/17/2002 1:47:40 PM PST by betty boop
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To: cornelis
By "ambiguity," I was only referring to the omission of definitional specificity for the content of religious expression or the "free exercise" of such. Given the background of the Constitutional signers and the controvervies of prior ecclesial establishments, we can develop some sense of what was meant - the existence of a Deity, a divine revelation, sacred scripture, codes of morality, and so forth. They weren't thinking about voodoo or animism, at any rate. The ontological presuppositions are implied, knowledge of which can be reconstructed from extra-textual sources. It's a legal ambiguity rather than dogmatic or propositional in the metaphysical sense. The assumption would be that there is an order of being which includes the spiritual and an eternal destiny.
56 posted on 02/17/2002 1:51:00 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Yes.

Your citations made me pull out the a published essay, "The Origins of Totalitarianism" wherein he reviews Hannah Arendt's book.

Here's an excerpt for good measure:

The true dividing line in the contemporary crisis does not run between liberals and totalitarians, but between the religious and philosophical transcendentalists on the one side and the liberal and totalitarian immanentist sectarians on the other side. It is sad, but it must be reported that the author herself draws this line. The argument starts from her confusion about the "nature of man": "Only the criminal attempt to change the nature of man is adequate to our trembling insight that no nature, not even the nature of man, can any longer be considered to be the measure of all things" --a sentence that, if it has any sense at all, can only mean that the nature of man ceases to be the measure, when some imbecile conceives the notion of changing it. The author seems to be impressed by the imbecile and isready to forget about the nature of man, as well as about all human civilization that has been built on its understanding. The "mob," she concedes, has correclty seen "that the whole of nearly three thousand years of Western civilization . . . has broken down." Out go the philosophers of Greece, the prophets of Israel, Christ, not to mention the patres and scholastics; for man has come of age, and that means "that from now on man is the only possible creator of his own laws and the only possible maker of his own history." This coming-of-age has to be accepted; man is the new lawmaker; and on the tablets wiped clean of the past he will inscribe the "new discoveries in morality," which Edmund Burke had still considered impossible.

Voegelin feels shy about chastizing Arendt, but the point must be made.
57 posted on 02/17/2002 2:13:23 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
What's interesting is that contemporary liberals usually present some fuzzy idea that they have found in left-wing social science or psychology this or that reason for proposing a new model of human nature. They also read their own personal preferences into law. Because they would prefer to have an entirely atheistic and secular "state" occupying and policing the entire public realm (and much of the private realm), they try to find ways to read this preference back into the Constitution. The Constitution does not ban, for instance, religious speech in the public realm. Neither does it call for an expansion of such a state to dominate as a monoply throughout all educational institutions. This is a fantasy entirely dreamt up by 20th-century anti-Christian secular humanist extremists. The notion that children should be required to appear before such a godless state promptly every morning at 8:00am or 9:00am is a nightmare that should have been reserved for George Orwell or Aldous Huxley satires.
58 posted on 02/17/2002 2:26:02 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: betty boop
Tut, tut.

-- So to speak of what I really wanted to speak of – divine law – would be quite impossible. So I thought I'd try something else. It didn't work out. My question was ditched. But then, perhaps it was simply unintelligible.

I hope that you don't think your question on that thread was 'ditched' by me, betty. --- It was sidetracked by a pirate, that I can agree. - But so was my answer.

60 posted on 02/17/2002 3:27:57 PM PST by tpaine
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