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ERIC VOEGELIN: What is Right by Nature?
book | 1978 | Eric Voegelin

Posted on 02/16/2002 4:38:09 PM PST by cornelis

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To: tpaine
:^)!!! (No tpaine, I didn't mean you.) best, bb.
61 posted on 02/17/2002 3:31:46 PM PST by betty boop
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Question: How do you reasonably expect to be "always free" if you do not understand what is the Source of your freedom?

Who says we don't?

I think free will is self evident. -- Nothing, save force, can shut up a unhappy baby. The baby grows up realizing this fact, but soon learns that cooperation satisfies its needs better than cries & threats. This leads, with maturity & reason, to the concept of equal, unalienable rights for all.

You want to believe that God put free will into creatures? -- Fine with me. -- But don't insist that rights/free will don't exist without such a belief.

62 posted on 02/17/2002 3:56:58 PM PST by tpaine
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To: cornelis; Huck
Voegelin????!!! On a Sunday? I'm gonna Immanitize the symbols of your transcendance.........

Hey, Huck....what about it...we take him out back and tell him some of us have to work for a living?

Representation. Representation. Representation. I say it three times as an incantation when thinking of going much beyond the first two chapters in The New Science....

Today, flipping channels I finally found what is faster than the speed of light. James Carville can spew more lies in 60 seconds of blather than any philospher can modify by analysis in a thousand years.

Cornelis....I'm gunnin' for you now.

63 posted on 02/17/2002 5:14:19 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: cornelis
All good things come through hard work.

Or, to put it another way:

The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet

Aristotle

64 posted on 02/18/2002 7:56:41 PM PST by beckett
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To: cornelis
Would you post the full citation information for this work or a link to it, please?
65 posted on 02/21/2002 11:18:53 AM PST by Pistias
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Yes. Here goes: it is the fourth chapter in Anamnesis. It is scheduled to appear in a new edition of the Complete Works this spring. <-- those are nice volumes, especially his "published essays."

I keyed this post in from my copy.

66 posted on 02/21/2002 2:28:26 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
Thanks.
67 posted on 02/21/2002 8:59:14 PM PST by Pistias
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To: cornelis
Sorry to respond after a 12 days delay, I was on a trip.

I agree that the notion of rights shifted at some point, so that when Jefferson spoke of unalienable rights he did not mean political rights. Thus, natural law, which to Aristotle was an impossibility because the polis could skew the system of (political) rights at will, can reflect the objective reality of natural rights.

68 posted on 02/28/2002 7:43:30 AM PST by annalex
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