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1 posted on 02/17/2002 12:49:27 PM PST by Texaggie79
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I wouldn't characterize this as a liberal movie, even though the lead characters are liberal. (But the writers of the movie did steal the "would you kill Hitler early on" idea from Steven King's "The Dead Zone"!) The thing about the Rush Limbaugh type character (and it definitely was based on him) is that they all have the stereotype of how narrow-minded and evil he is, and he turns out to be quite different from their image of him. It's been a while since I saw the movie, but it seemed like the filmmakers wanted the audience to cheer him at the end. The libs in the movie are so sanctimonious and smug and narrow-minded, that it actually was a happy ending to see them all get their comeuppance! ;)
2 posted on 02/17/2002 12:57:50 PM PST by NYCVirago
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Sounds pretty nauseating.

Seems to fit the usual pattern of the self-annointed playing God.

How were you able to keep your popcorn down?

4 posted on 02/17/2002 1:14:16 PM PST by El Sordo
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I thought the end was rather ambiguous as well. It's been a long time, but here goes ... they invite the Limbaugh character, who is not what they expect (like the other stereotypes they kill). What left me uncertain, though, was the implication that the talk show host turns the tables on them in the end — the final piece of art would indicate that he switches the wine, which I suppose could represent a kind of retribution for their presumption in thinking they have the right to kill those they think are wrong.

Of course, I haven't seen this movie in a few years. What did you think?

6 posted on 02/17/2002 1:18:05 PM PST by Polonius
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Having seen it I don't think that it's a liberal or conservative movie. More a cautionary tale about making judgements on who is good and who is "evil". I hate Bill Clinton, but killing him would make me worse than Bubba. Same thing from the liberal side in "The Last Supper".
7 posted on 02/17/2002 1:19:51 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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If you want to read what the critics said about it, try this: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/movie-1071464/
8 posted on 02/17/2002 1:23:04 PM PST by HHFi
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It was a clever movie. It illustrated time and again that liberals were smarter than po-dunk conservatives (by their standards), until they ran up against an intellectual conservative. At that point even they had to admit that they were wrong, but they still wanted to kill the Rush-type character because they disagreed with his ideology and had become completed corrupted by their own successes.

That the liberals were tricked into drinking their own poison was the ideal way to end the movie (and carried the hidden message that liberals can be poisoned by their own views).

Also, the Rush-guy's answer to the "would you kill Hitler before he assumed power" question was brilliant. The Conservative said no, first I'd challenge his ideas and try to get him to see the better way (and he continued to do that with all of his liberal hosts) because my arguments would trounce his on a level playing field.

Hey, Hollywood also produced Red Dawn. Conservative movies do get made in that town (e.g. Firefox, The Green Berets, The Outlaw Josey Wales).

10 posted on 02/17/2002 1:30:35 PM PST by Southack
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This is how they hook you, kid. They put some really nice looking women in these movies, and if you're the type who thinks with his little head, before you know it you're a liberal. There may still be time for you to stop watching these movies. Especially beware of any with Shannon Elizabeth in the cast. She's the one who can trap guys who aren't that attracted to JLo's bulbous buttocks.
12 posted on 02/17/2002 1:38:24 PM PST by Twodees
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I loved the movie. Great acting, well shot, good twists and turns.

My simplistic view...the libs decided the "right-wing" is so evil that the group must also become evil through some elitist nature. Death for the conservatives they encounter was the only answer.

Only problem...the "Rush" character at the end was smarter, more devious and "evil", and turned the tables on the group.

I still enjoy this flick despite the blatant politics that portray the lefties as rightious victims trying to be "good little Nazi exterminators".
13 posted on 02/17/2002 1:47:42 PM PST by CaptSkip
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I have not seen the movie. But I don't need to. I was born in So Calif and have worked film and photo "shoots" earning money for college. I AM ALWAYS SURPRISED that people take Hollywood so seriously and think that the makers of films and TV shows are able to interweave some deep, barely discernable meaning into their "art." I have witnessed the "creative process" as it is called, and have observed some of the "creators." To mistake many (nearly all) of them for "deep thinkers" is a big mistake. The facts: many in Hollywood are extremely unhappy; a few "big name stars" are suicidal, or at least threaten it to their "PAs" (Personal Assistants) during 3:00 a.m. phone calls; many, including the screenwriters, are way way out on drugs. "Art" is not Hollywood. "Money" is Hollywood. There is more intellectual rigor and creativity in the analyses by the casual posters in this thread than in several Hollywood screenwriters combined. As I said, I live here, and I have seen it in person. Just take the stuff for fun. They are not Shakespeare or Einstein. Your typically sixth grader could do just a good a job.
16 posted on 02/17/2002 2:31:21 PM PST by Draco
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I just saw this movie over the weekend. I thought it was hilarious.

He're my take on the end.

Norman Arbuthnot, the right-wing leader, shows the dinner hosts that they have betrayed their own principles by failing to engage in intelligent debate with those they disagree with (the Hitler question). While they're in the kitchen he discovers they are commited liberals (the Mondale book) and are killing right-wingers like himself. Luke (the black guy) meanwhile, says that Arbuthnot is going to be the next Hitler and should be killed. His friends convince him otherwise and they go back to dinner. It looks like Luke was right about him though, as he kills off the guests even though he has already pesuaded them by debate. The end of the movie suggests that Arbuthnot is on his way to becoming the next US (Hitler-like?) president.

A Freeper goes by the name of Norman Arbuthnot. I'll ask him for his interpretation.

18 posted on 03/19/2002 2:34:28 AM PST by Cian
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Anyways, there is a character throughout the movie who is on TV that resembles what a liberal sees Rush Limbaugh as. He gets to be the last guest. I wonder if indeed the film makers shaped him from Rush. And I wonder why they allow him to win at the end.

Because it is NOT a "liberal movie"! This films makes fun of the liberal worldview and shows the world through their eyes. The reactionary types invited to their last suppers look exactly the way the liberals perceive the conservatives, and as such they are the caricatures. The end shows that Rush Limbough type is infinitely smarter and more sofisticated that those supposedly intelligent leftists are. And the films shows that liberal smugness and self-righteousness end in murders.

But it is an equal opportunity satire and if you felt offended you might need to reflect a little.

22 posted on 03/19/2002 12:20:20 PM PST by A. Pole
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